[Official] Catapult | Trebuchet

[Ignion]

If you happen to open this thread, it's been made clear that this card does not need any change whatsoever, so I have closed the poll. Thanks for stopping by

[RootRanger]

Catapult is not an underpowered card if it is used in the right way. It is balanced when used with flying titans. 30 damage is a good way to finish off an opponent. Or how about that armagio that you didn't draw until last turn? 19 damage. While catapult is weak in a deck that does not adequately use it, it is a balanced card when it is used the proper way.

[Ignion]

I see your point, but unfortunately, what you are saying is only "theoretical."

How many people have 6 titans? They are supposed to be rare cards, so unless you are one of those cheaters, that combo is rarely manageable. Armagio is rather quickly killed easily these days. Even if Armagio is still alive, its HP gets reduced quite a bit in just one turn. It's probably not so much what is "wrong" with this card but rather other cards/decks have been becoming increasingly powerful that catapult is left behind.

If a card is only useful when combined with a bunch of rare cards and upgraded cards, that is hardly a good card. Try using this in unupped decks for instance. No wonder nobody is using it.

[QuantumT]

I see your point, but unfortunately, what you are saying is only "theoretical."

How many people have 6 titans? They are supposed to be rare cards, so unless you are one of those cheaters, that combo is rarely manageable. Armagio is rather quickly killed easily these days. Even if Armagio is still alive, its HP gets reduced quite a bit in just one turn. It's probably not so much what is "wrong" with this card but rather other cards/decks have been becoming increasingly powerful that catapult is left behind.

If a card is only useful when combined with a bunch of rare cards and upgraded cards, that is hardly a good card. Try using this in unupped decks for instance. No wonder nobody is using it.

How are you easily killing a creature with 25|30 hp again?

[RootRanger]

How many people have 6 titans? They are supposed to be rare cards, so unless you are one of those cheaters, that combo is rarely manageable.

Not only is rarity is not involved in card balancing, but a lot of people have 6 titans. Try playing T50 with a couple of these farms up. You will have six in just one day. By the way, rarity has nothing to do with card balancing because cards should be used at their full potential. It is better to have a card underpowered for some people and balanced for others than a card extremely overpowered for some people and balanced for others.

Armagio is rather quickly killed easily these days. Even if Armagio is still alive, its HP gets reduced quite a bit in just one turn.

I hope you realize that Armagio has the option to use gravity pull. If you don't gravity pull your armagio, how do you plan on killing it? And if you played, say, 5 lightnings on it, it would be a huge waste.

It's probably not so much what is "wrong" with this card but rather other cards/decks have been becoming increasingly powerful that catapult is left behind.

Since catapult was released, 4 new cards have been in development. One of these is a huge buff for gravity, which increases the options to use catapult.

If a card is only useful when combined with a bunch of rare cards and upgraded cards, that is hardly a good card.

I have no idea where you pulled out upgraded cards, but I already said why rarity should not effect balancing.

Try using this in unupped decks for instance. No wonder nobody is using it.

It works fine in the right unupped deck. It is not used as much as it should be because one of the strongest combos with it involves rares.

EDIT: By the way, I don't understand the poll option, "Allow it to target creatures too." Catapult can target creatures.

[Ekki]

Try using this in unupped decks for instance. No wonder nobody is using it.

It works fine in the right unupped deck. It is not used as much as it should be because one of the strongest combos with it involves rares.

Also, you must remember mono-gravity unupped is one of the weakest combos out there (even when it hurts my ears), and not because of catapult.

[Stickmasterluke]

I'v been beaten by it before. I do not believe it needs a buff. 

[Ignion]

Root Ranger,

Your argument is too selective and convenient. You say rarity has nothing to do with card balance all the way till the end and say, "It is not used as much as it should be because one of the strongest combos with it involves rares."

I also find it funny that anyone should say, "It is not used as much as it should be" about any cards. Really, you think there should be a card that should not be used much? Interesting.

This is not about who wins any kind of argument. This is about making the card more playable because that leads to "more enjoyment in the game," which is what is important IMO.

I find it funny that while we all know this card is almost never used in reality (I haven't run into a single user with this card in the past 3 months including AIs), there aren't more voices about this card. But, then again, if nobody is using it, I guess it makes sense that nobody really cares lol.

Anyhow, I'm a fire user, so it's not a big deal to me either way. Just thought it was sad that there was a good card being unused/wasted.

[thatnewguy]

You ever been owned by a catapult + armagio + BB deck? No?

Well, go try it out get owned by it, then we shall see if it's UP or not

Btw, this is the only other card (other than voodoo) That can do 50+ damage in a single attack. UP? No.

[Ignion]

You ever been owned by a catapult + armagio + BB deck? No?

Well, go try it out get owned by it, then we shall see if it's UP or not

Btw, this is the only other card (other than voodoo) That can do 50+ damage in a single attack. UP? No.

Nope. Not by any chance. I'm too good to lose against a deck like that. I win all my games in 5-6 turns on average. My winning ration is 9 wins and 1 loss every 10 games.

Not that my personal record matters in any way for discussion about a card balance, but you asked.

By the way, thenewguy is a good name, but hmmm, you are apparently not the new guy anymore! lol 

[thatnewguy]

Ok, so, your only arguement is that you run t50 I'm guessing with an immolation deck and you see a bunch of fat timebows that don't use catapult? Just because people don't run it in a timebow doesn't mean it's not UP.

Also, if your "too good" to lose and win ALL your games in a 5-6 ttw, then why aren't you in t50 yet, or a master for that matter?

Everyone loses, just because you don't see doesn't make it UP or a terrible card.

[Ignion]

Ok, so, your only arguement is that you run t50 I'm guessing with an immolation deck and you see a bunch of fat timebows that don't use catapult? Just because people don't run it in a timebow doesn't mean it's not UP.

Also, if your "too good" to lose and win ALL your games in a 5-6 ttw, then why aren't you in t50 yet, or a master for that matter?

Everyone loses, just because you don't see doesn't make it UP or a terrible card.

No, it wasn't my argument, Mr. Did you see me make any argument? I simply answered your question. Don't twist my words please.

In case you are curious, I'm not applying to Top50 and stuff because I'd rather keep my deck design to myself. It's my own balance that I don't care for others to copy. Also, I never said I won "ALL" games. Again, stop twisting my words. And, in case you wonder, my winning ration is real. I'm not making it up. I can even take a screenshot if you like

One more thing, I never called it a terrible card. Please stop making those accusations about what I'm saying about the card. Read over my comment.