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[Official] Blessing | Improved Blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166796#msg1166796
« on: November 19, 2014, 01:54:20 am »


 the upgraded card is what I meant, but... I don't know. Compared to the Chaos seed, it seems kinda weak. I kinda want to either buff the upgraded blessing to either be +4/+3 and still 3 light quanta, or +3/+4... either way, being a minimum of +1/+1 up to +5/+5 for only 1 quanta... either way, blessing seems UP and not very used compared to the chaos seed.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166797#msg1166797
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 02:12:37 am »
It's much more reliable. Although Chaos Power averages to +3|+3, it might screw you over in cases where blessing might not.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166801#msg1166801
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 02:43:05 am »
Adrenaline combos better with blessing since you don't have to worry whether buff will put attack on a bad number or not (this comes up in epivu)

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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166803#msg1166803
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 03:02:39 am »
epivu? what the heck is that? and most creatures have 1 attack minimum, the only one with 0/X is voodoo doll.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166811#msg1166811
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 03:32:14 am »
epivu? what the heck is that? and most creatures have 1 attack minimum, the only one with 0/X is voodoo doll.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166835#msg1166835
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 05:07:28 am »
I don't believe this would need a buff, but looking at the other cards in this game, +4 | +4 is not that bad.

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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1166838#msg1166838
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 05:23:54 am »
i think blessing is +3/+3 because you can put it in a deck with sundial, light cards have to be a bit UP
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1173015#msg1173015
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2014, 02:16:24 am »
Blessing is better in the sense that it's more reliable, yes, but does this really warrant a +1 :light cost with no other advantage? Doesn't seem right, seeing that the only "reliability" it gives is ensuring that 2 attack compared to chaos power. Secondly, Deadly Poison achieves this 3 damage better than Blessing does with increased reliability. I think it should be increased to at least +4|+3 or +4|+4 as suggested, in comparison to Shard of Wisdom. Even then, it would still be a lot weaker than Shard of Wisdom, but that card is pretty overpowered anyways (+4 attack on an immaterial is worth a lot more than on a non-immaterial) so I won't buff Blessing to be on par with Wisdom.

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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1173016#msg1173016
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2014, 02:27:21 am »
+4/4 would be better that what we currently have. 4/3 would not be consistent with light, which usually has high ATK and HP.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1173018#msg1173018
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2014, 03:46:54 am »
Blessing is better in the sense that it's more reliable, yes, but does this really warrant a +1 :light cost with no other advantage? Doesn't seem right, seeing that the only "reliability" it gives is ensuring that 2 attack compared to chaos power. Secondly, Deadly Poison achieves this 3 damage better than Blessing does with increased reliability. I think it should be increased to at least +4|+3 or +4|+4 as suggested, in comparison to Shard of Wisdom. Even then, it would still be a lot weaker than Shard of Wisdom, but that card is pretty overpowered anyways (+4 attack on an immaterial is worth a lot more than on a non-immaterial) so I won't buff Blessing to be on par with Wisdom.
Making it +4/4 would make it better then wisdom in almost every regard, barring use on immortals. And would make it that much better then chaos power, barring a +5/5, which is already rare as is.
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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1173019#msg1173019
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2014, 04:05:56 am »
Blessing is better in the sense that it's more reliable, yes, but does this really warrant a +1 :light cost with no other advantage? Doesn't seem right, seeing that the only "reliability" it gives is ensuring that 2 attack compared to chaos power. Secondly, Deadly Poison achieves this 3 damage better than Blessing does with increased reliability. I think it should be increased to at least +4|+3 or +4|+4 as suggested, in comparison to Shard of Wisdom. Even then, it would still be a lot weaker than Shard of Wisdom, but that card is pretty overpowered anyways (+4 attack on an immaterial is worth a lot more than on a non-immaterial) so I won't buff Blessing to be on par with Wisdom.
Making it +4/4 would make it better then wisdom in almost every regard, barring use on immortals. And would make it that much better then chaos power, barring a +5/5, which is already rare as is.
The cost of +4 attack on an immaterial target should be higher for +4 attack on a killable target, explainable by the fact that every immortal creature should have a higher cost and less damage than any of their vulnerable counterparts. The argument that it's only "utulizing" a creature's immortality isn't a good argument either, as seen on the example of using Wisdom on an Immortal - it's basically like playing two immortals for much less quanta, while bypassing most shields in exchange for two very situational counters. Shard of Wisdom makes any immortal creature unkillable, thus the point of adding 4 hp isn't comparable to Wisdom. But then, looking at other balances, Shard of Wisdom's effect is similar to Momentum which is also supposedly the cost of one card + 1 quantum in upgraded play. Overall it packs much more benefits than blessing, the only backdraw is that it can only be reliably used on immaterials, which is in-element anyway, so it doesn't really make a big difference.

Perhaps the only real argument is that Blessing is more splashable on other elements, but then again Chaos Power is much much better for that. It can be ran off the mark while not having any real disadvantages. I vote on cards that are situationally better needing to cost more, but if its situation condition is something that you can control while deckbuilding and not simply in response to the enemy's deck, I would highly disagree.

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Re: (upgraded) blessing https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56684.msg1173020#msg1173020
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2014, 04:12:06 am »
Chaos power has cost advantage, yes. However it can just as easily only give it +1/1. Averages out at +3/3 sure. However the chances for anything sub +3/3 are more then enough to justify lower cost. However, this isn't about chaos power. This is about blessing. Does blessing need a buff just because of a card that is random like that? I don't think so. But of course I don't control anything. Let the people who play in pvp events and stuff jump in, i'm sure they are much more knowledgeable on it.
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