[Official] Black Hole | Black Hole

[killybob]

If I understand correctly, this buff does not change the fact that they could play the card to be healed, just that they can take their own quanta instead of yours.

why would they want to take their own quanta just for the sake of it?

So I am about to kill someone and they do this? yes at a great cost, but I still disagree with it because it would nerf the value of "heal" and what not in rainbows I think. I could not not EM with a rainbow alot more with this change?
I am sorry I dislike this change greatly. Already have tons of options for healing, this cards dose not need to heal against monos. ( by targeting yourself ) There would be little point in even thinking about this card being in certain decks if this change was made.
Thats what I think atleast.

if it seems OP then the price of the card can be raised. i like the idea of a change, if not buff, and this does seem to fit the bill. any other ideas though?

[LongDono]

If I understand correctly, this buff does not change the fact that they could play the card to be healed, just that they can take their own quanta instead of yours.

why would they want to take their own quanta just for the sake of it?

So I am about to kill someone and they do this? yes at a great cost, but I still disagree with it because it would nerf the value of "heal" and what not in rainbows I think. I could not not EM with a rainbow alot more with this change?
I am sorry I dislike this change greatly. Already have tons of options for healing, this cards dose not need to heal against monos. ( by targeting yourself ) There would be little point in even thinking about this card being in certain decks if this change was made.
Thats what I think atleast.

if it seems OP then the price of the card can be raised. i like the idea of a change, if not buff, and this does seem to fit the bill. any other ideas though?

The card like discord is ment for a certain type of deck to be played against and not very helpful unless combos with discord against other decks, it should stay that way.
I see no reason at all to give it the ability to heal you by targeting yourself.

[BluePriest]

If I understand correctly, this buff does not change the fact that they could play the card to be healed, just that they can take their own quanta instead of yours.

why would they want to take their own quanta just for the sake of it?

So I am about to kill someone and they do this? yes at a great cost, but I still disagree with it because it would nerf the value of "heal" and what not in rainbows I think. I could not not EM with a rainbow alot more with this change?
I am sorry I dislike this change greatly. Already have tons of options for healing, this cards dose not need to heal against monos. ( by targeting yourself ) There would be little point in even thinking about this card being in certain decks if this change was made.
Thats what I think atleast.

if it seems OP then the price of the card can be raised. i like the idea of a change, if not buff, and this does seem to fit the bill. any other ideas though?

The card like discord is ment for a certain type of deck to be played against and not very helpful unless combos with discord against other decks, it should stay that way.
I see no reason at all to give it the ability to heal you by targeting yourself.

Versatility. And discord is useful no matter the deck you are facing. 6 damage an attack is great.

Id like to point out something I said when I created this topic. Discord doesnt need a buff. I think how I phrased my poll made it quite clear that Im aware that black hole doesnt need a buff.  We dont have a "change this card!" forum though, and I felt it fit here better than just general game suggestions. Im curious why you dont like this idea. Because you think it should be limited? Thats not a good excuse. Before you pointed out that you think it would be better than heal. Life isnt the best healing element. Light has a good amount over it. Also Im curious on how it would be better than heal.

[achangeofpace]

Great idea

Also, definetly not OP because it allows reflective shields to block the spell (at least I think). This way basically any rainbow could stop it easily instead of only those that use Sanctuary.

[killybob]

yes. additionally it would reflect the effect back at you taking down your quanta when you really don't want it. this change is a change worth considering.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

It has plenty of power already... To fight a Rainbow nowadays is not uncommon in the least, it is arguably the most versatile gravity card

[LongDono]

*snipe* lol

Versatility. And discord is useful no matter the deck you are facing. 6 damage an attack is great.

Id like to point out something I said when I created this topic. Discord doesnt need a buff. I think how I phrased my poll made it quite clear that Im aware that black hole doesnt need a buff.  We dont have a "change this card!" forum though, and I felt it fit here better than just general game suggestions. Im curious why you dont like this idea. Because you think it should be limited? Thats not a good excuse. Before you pointed out that you think it would be better than heal. Life isnt the best healing element. Light has a good amount over it. Also Im curious on how it would be better than heal.

I agree there should be a "change this card section"
This change though would be a buff in more way than one.
This card is to be used against rainbows, not to be used in a rainbow as heal and as a bonus destroy other rainbows. Now even against a mono with your change it would be a good card, and thats wrong it is ment to be strong against rainbows not monos, duos and what not. ( saying it would be strong because it could heal for up to 36 and yes it has a great cost if you sue it on yourself however rainbows near the middle and end have tons of quanta anyways. )
Tell me would there be any reason NOT to play this card in a rainbow if this change was made? Sorry but all cards should have some thought about if it should be in the deck or not.
Also I just feel that a card that is ment to be good against rainbows should stay that way, it dose it's job perfectly there is no reason whats so ever to change this card. If anything it should be nerfed.
Also life should be one of the best healing elements, just because it is not dose not mean it should be nerfed anymore.

[OldTrees]

*snipe* lol

Versatility. And discord is useful no matter the deck you are facing. 6 damage an attack is great.

Id like to point out something I said when I created this topic. Discord doesnt need a buff. I think how I phrased my poll made it quite clear that Im aware that black hole doesnt need a buff.  We dont have a "change this card!" forum though, and I felt it fit here better than just general game suggestions. Im curious why you dont like this idea. Because you think it should be limited? Thats not a good excuse. Before you pointed out that you think it would be better than heal. Life isnt the best healing element. Light has a good amount over it. Also Im curious on how it would be better than heal.

I agree there should be a "change this card section"
This change though would be a buff in more way than one.
This card is to be used against rainbows, not to be used in a rainbow as heal and as a bonus destroy other rainbows. Now even against a mono with your change it would be a good card, and thats wrong it is ment to be strong against rainbows not monos, duos and what not. ( saying it would be strong because it could heal for up to 36 and yes it has a great cost if you sue it on yourself however rainbows near the middle and end have tons of quanta anyways. )
Tell me would there be any reason NOT to play this card in a rainbow if this change was made? Sorry but all cards should have some thought about if it should be in the deck or not.
Also I just feel that a card that is ment to be good against rainbows should stay that way, it dose it's job perfectly there is no reason whats so ever to change this card. If anything it should be nerfed.
Also life should be one of the best healing elements, just because it is not dose not mean it should be nerfed anymore.

A reason not to use it: It costs 4 |3 + per hp healed. That is an expensive card. Miracle or Heal would be more efficient if you wanted a healing card.
This change would make it a more versatile card but would not make it a better healing card than Heal.
Blackhole would remain good against rainbows and could be used as a Last Resort by a rainbow.
This change would not make Blackhole a good card against mono decks. It would make it so it is not a dead draw though.

[killybob]

well has anyone any better suggestions then?

[Vineroz]

make it target-able, so it can be reflected? oh yes please

[Blazing Moonwalker]

Gravity Nymph using this kind of worries me. It's alredy very powerful, and I don't think it needs more advantage.

I don't have a problem with it having this effect if not played as the nymph.

[OldTrees]

Gravity Nymph using this kind of worries me. It's alredy very powerful, and I don't think it needs more advantage.

I don't have a problem with it having this effect if not played as the nymph.

Why would the nymph be a problem? It would be a very expensive Luciferine without the Biolum.