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[Official] Black Hole | Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291764#msg291764
« on: March 16, 2011, 03:29:55 pm »


This card doesnt NEED a buff. however, it does have one flaw. It is only very useful against rainbow decks. This is my proposed buff though.
Change it to "Absorb 3 quanta per element from target playerGain 1 hp per absorbed quanta"

This would make it muc more versatile and worth putting in more decks. Like I said, it really doesnt NEED a buff, however, I think this would be a nice change to it.
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291780#msg291780
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 03:56:12 pm »
Your change would mean you can drain yourself to possibly heal more or to prevent the opponent from draining your quanta or something?

I don't really get what you are trying to change.

In general I think Black Hole is quite well balanced though. It's not always as usefull but with rainbow decks being so common I think it's good as it is.

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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291785#msg291785
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2011, 04:01:47 pm »
It makes it less situational since you can use it on yourself when you use a SN deck, rainbow deck, or a variety of other decks. Also, if your opponent uses discrod, and you are about to lose, then you can heal yourself. Just to make the card more versatile
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291790#msg291790
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2011, 04:24:48 pm »
It doesn't make much sense, since you wouldn't have any quanta left if you drain yourself. I see the one sided nature of the card, though rainbow fans would disagree. There's been a thread to actually nerrf the card, so I say let it be strong but onesided...
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291808#msg291808
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2011, 04:49:33 pm »
It's a small buff. I like it. Often I put 1 BH in my PvP rainbows because it can turn a loss into a win against other rainbows. Now it will be used as a late game heal against other decks because rainbows have a lot of quantum late game (so many cards rely on getting 2 novas or pillars so you need a lot).
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg291821#msg291821
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2011, 05:52:36 pm »
i think its a good idea to make this a target spell. imagine you have a rainbow deck and are losing for some reason. what a luck! you got loads of quanta to drain with black hole... wait, you can only drain the other... and he plays mono. thats the situation where you would want to drain yourself. sack some quanta to save your game. i think it's good to add to the card. it makes it more versatile and thats a legitimate thing to do.
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg292243#msg292243
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 03:00:50 am »
Do not forget that Black Hole can be used for EM in Rainbows without wasting a slot on pure healing potential.
So I would argue that it is already versatile enough.

However allowing it to target itself would not make it too powerful and would improve the value of the card.

IMO: If Zanz finds time after all the more important matters then this would be a good change but not an urgent change.
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg292296#msg292296
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 04:42:28 am »
Liking this change.
While I don't think BH should be buffed in principle, if every card had an alternate use the game would be so much more awesome.

Great idea IMO.

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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg292652#msg292652
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 09:09:51 pm »
Liking this change.
While I don't think BH should be buffed in principle, if every card had an alternate use the game would be so much more awesome.

Great idea IMO.
yep, it would make it much more efficient in rainbow decks just for it being able to target yourself
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg293332#msg293332
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 06:06:37 pm »
yes this card does need at least a little more versatility. while this buff is a good way of producing adaptability in this card, could anyone think of another change that would be equally good?

maybe it could drain a certain amount of quanta subject to how much your opponent owns overall instead of a set 3 quanta per element? to make this buff less OP you could reduce the amount of healing it gives you for example. this is just an example of a change not a direct suggestion. any other ideas?

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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg293345#msg293345
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 06:30:54 pm »
So I am about to kill someone and they do this? yes at a great cost, but I still disagree with it because it would nerf the value of "heal" and what not in rainbows I think. I could not not EM with a rainbow alot more with this change?
I am sorry I dislike this change greatly. Already have tons of options for healing, this cards dose not need to heal against monos. ( by targeting yourself ) There would be little point in even thinking about this card being in certain decks if this change was made.
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Re: Black Hole|Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23012.msg293347#msg293347
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011, 06:35:08 pm »
I like this idea. Seems to be a very minor change that opens the door for a lot of new strategies.

So I am about to kill someone and they do this?
If I understand correctly, this buff does not change the fact that they could play the card to be healed, just that they can take their own quanta instead of yours.

 

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