[Official] Anubis | Elite Anubis

[ZephyrPhantom]

First, the little debate that inspired this thread about our favorite jackal.

Spoiler for Hidden:

[02:46:30] Higurashi:    makes you happy because it's an element that reaches for the impossible at all times. <3
[02:46:30] Appa: 15 is my highest score
[02:46:52] DrunkDestroyer: Perfect! My problem is that I have too many cookies!
[02:46:54] Teaisgood: sweet
[02:47:06] Higurashi: It's also the worst element at rushing, monowise, if that's what you mean with aggro, but that's not a problem. :>
[02:47:14] Teaisgood: Dun worreh, *Saves DD from cookies*
[02:47:28] Thatnewguy: Time is pretty bad.
[02:47:37] pikachufan2164: Mono-Aether is generally very control-based, zyz
[02:47:41] Dragoon1140: Time is still the worst at rushing, yes.
[02:47:42] Appa: WTF
[02:47:59] Higurashi: Nah, Precogs makes it quite a bit faster, but very unstable.
[02:47:59] Dragoon1140: Aether at least has Phase Spider. Time has, what, GotP?
[02:48:02] Teaisgood: time rush lol
[02:48:03] Appa: how do people finish the game in 1 minute?
[02:48:08] Higurashi: Aether won't break under CC.
[02:48:12] pikachufan2164: (The only real exception is Fractal Ball Lightning, and that sort of fails)
[02:48:14] Thatnewguy: Not yet drag.
[02:48:16] Kuroaitou: It might get better with the introduction of Ghost of the Past though.
[02:48:27] Higurashi: Fractal Spiders isn't slow, nor is Spiders+PU+Fractal Sparks.
[02:48:31] Thatnewguy: TU phase recluse is pretty damn fast.
[02:48:34] Dragoon1140: Even so, Kuro, GotP is still a tad too expensive.
[02:48:39] Thatnewguy: Not gonna lie.
[02:48:49] Kuroaitou: Yeah, true.
[02:48:51] Higurashi: Ghost will make it even faster. Will be awesome for Time. <3
[02:49:18] Teaisgood: i feel bad that the controll element tanked
[02:49:23] Higurashi: Oh, upped it's no contest. Time loses by far.
[02:49:26] Dragoon1140: Our poor friend Anubis needs some love though.
[02:49:33] Kuroaitou: Control element?
[02:49:39] Higurashi: Until they get Ghosts..
[02:49:40] Kuroaitou: Bah, forget Anubis.
[02:49:46] DrunkDestroyer: Remove Quint and Aether nymph. Replace with new card.
[02:49:55] Teaisgood: GoTP isn't beeing considered for control.
[02:49:55] DrunkDestroyer: Anubis becomes cool again!
[02:49:59] Kuroaitou: Fix Turquoise Nymph's ability to be less expensive, then Anubis can be given a different  ability.
[02:50:07] guest-7524: Like this deck? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20440.msg277571#msg277571
[02:50:09] Teaisgood: well, less than other stuff
[02:50:11] Higurashi: ^
[02:50:27] Higurashi: Or an ability of any other type, such as.. oh I dunno, death?
[02:50:36] Higurashi: Crazy talk, eh?
[02:50:46] Zblader: ...*reads chat history* Interesting.
[02:50:46] Teaisgood: sig deck?
[02:51:05] Dragoon1140: Why not just change Quint?
[02:51:13] Higurashi: Early on the most prominent god of Death, Anubis.
[02:51:23] Zblader: because immaterial is badly needed.
[02:51:25] DrunkDestroyer: Remove Quintessense, create new Aether Alchemy card. Problem solved.
[02:51:27] guest-7524: [02:48:27] Higurashi: Fractal Spiders isn't slow, nor is Spiders+PU+Fractal Sparks.
[02:51:32] zyz1: lol
[02:51:33] Zblader: for some decks anyway.
[02:51:35] guest-7524: Why i linked that
[02:51:51] Dragoon1140: DrunkD, I have to agree with you. Quint is the root of all problems.
[02:51:53] Zblader: ^  because  is awesome.
[02:52:02] Dragoon1140: Well, the root of this problem, at least.
[02:52:03] Zblader: ... chat lag.
[02:52:05] Higurashi: Quint is awesome. It really embodies the generosity of the divine element. <3
[02:52:11] Legit: Anyone know a song about gluttony?
[02:52:25] RootRanger: 1140, you mean root is a quinted problem?
[02:52:27] Zblader: Anyway, is the problem being that Anubis is no longer awesome?
[02:52:29] DrunkDestroyer: Get rid of quint, and Lobo will be awesome again (well, more awesome)
[02:52:33] Higurashi: It's not really a problem in PvP though.
[02:52:34] Thatnewguy: I thought fractal was the root of all problems......
[02:52:37] Dragoon1140: Four Horsemen by Metallica, Legit.
[02:52:42] Zblader: ^was.
[02:52:45] pikachufan2164: @Legit

[02:52:56] Zblader: ..... chat god = hate mes.
[02:52:56] Higurashi: I personally find the fact that Anubis is the only creature that does a Nymph's job to be the most disturbing.
[02:52:57] guest-7524: So anyone wanna duel?
[02:53:04] Legit: lol nom nom nom
[02:53:05] Dragoon1140: pikachufan, yes!
[02:53:08] Legit: Thanks DRagoon
[02:53:08] Higurashi: Change him and I'm happy.
[02:53:10] guest-7524: I agree Higurashi
[02:53:21] Zblader: hmm, true.
[02:53:25] Zblader: but it's duo element.
[02:53:26] Dragoon1140: Marisa, it does the job horribly and more bad-ly.
[02:53:28] Legit: you know what, I think I'll use that one
[02:53:31] Legit: the nom nom nom
[02:53:43] Zblader: What Dragoon said.
[02:53:43] Higurashi: Nope, does it better than the Nymph.
[02:53:46] guest-7524: Its unfair how its not only creature to do it, and not best at that
[02:53:52] Higurashi: Which is even more disturbing.
[02:54:06] Dragoon1140: Even better: Quint does it better than both.
[02:54:07] Zblader: .... guest, I have a bad feeling I got it right this time.
[02:54:12] Teaisgood: u can just splash aether in time. aether nymph takes quanta from skill pool
[02:54:17] Zblader: but nevermind, Anubis is worse.
[02:54:32] Zblader: while cheaper in ability cost, you must splash time in.
[02:54:37] Higurashi: Quint isn't a problem for me since it doesn't affect PvP. For FG's, it's a problem due to bad FG's like Neptune.
[02:54:42] Thatnewguy: *sigh*
[02:55:04] Zblader: Hence why it sucks.
[02:55:10] Zblader: Anubis that is.
[02:55:28] Thatnewguy: Anubis > aether nymph.
[02:55:30] Dragoon1140: Why buff everything else when you can just change the card that's causing the problem?
[02:55:30] Zblader: although there is a point for sure - it's not rare.
[02:55:43] Higurashi: Yep, and I don't mind. Nightmare sucks too.
[02:55:59] DrunkDestroyer: Dragoon1140 is right. Now let's not argue
[02:56:02] Zblader: I agree. Anubis needs a change.
[02:56:06] Higurashi: Buff? No, Anubis just needs to change.
[02:56:15] Dragoon1140: Peace and love, DrunkD. Welcome to the club.
[02:56:16] Zblader: ^thisplz.
[02:56:24] Zblader: ... argh, friking chat lag!
[02:56:28] Vyrys_Complex: wtb more farms in T50
[02:56:34] DrunkDestroyer: Oh, I wouldn't suggest not arguing if I hadn't had the last word
[02:56:43] Thatnewguy: >.<
[02:56:46] Zblader: ...love how i managed to jump into this debate.
[02:56:53] guest-7524: Anubis new ability suggestion= for      kill target creature
[02:56:59] Zblader: ^no.
[02:57:04] guest-7524: *with under 4 health*
[02:57:05] Thatnewguy: No.
[02:57:09] DrunkDestroyer: 7524 - No
[02:57:13] Zblader: nice try.
[02:57:19] Dragoon1140: Than it is much weaker than a plain upgraded Otyugh, guest.
[02:57:29] Zblader: ^thisplz.
[02:57:29] DrunkDestroyer: Death cannot ever get an insta-kill card. Never.
[02:57:30] Thatnewguy: Then oty > anubis.
[02:57:47] Zblader: anyway, I think it should still be related to Aether somehow still.
[02:57:52] guest-7524: Death benefits more from this
[02:57:53] pikachufan2164:    -- Kill target creature with higher HP than attack power
[02:57:58] Zblader: Anubis is a an ancient egyptian god after all.
[02:57:59] guest-7524: whiel oty is just CC
[02:58:03] pikachufan2164: Reverse Maxwell's
[02:58:14] Zblader: lol Pika.
[02:58:17] DrunkDestroyer: HP is defense. HP is supposed to always be a Buff
[02:58:25] pikachufan2164: Call it judgment :3
[02:58:31] DrunkDestroyer: Play Anubis vs Gravity. Win.
[02:58:34] guest-7524: Im a guest, you cant blame me for being stupid
[02:58:35] Thatnewguy: Guest, no. Anubis should not have a mini oty effect.
[02:58:42] Thatnewguy: Yes we can.
[02:58:46] Higurashi: http://i.imgur.com/XUwut.jpg
[02:58:46] RootRanger: i want anubis's ability to stay aether because most opposite elements have synergies
[02:58:50] Higurashi: Trololo
[02:58:56] Zblader: still, I don't think I want it to be death.
[02:59:01] Dragoon1140: Hehe.
[02:59:17] TimerClock14: heh
[02:59:22] Zblader: Anubis is a protector of the dead correct?
[02:59:27] Vyrys_Complex: AI just BB'd my photon.
[02:59:48] Kuroaitou: Blargh.
[02:59:54] Zblader: Maybe it's ability could be  - Guardian : Death Effects do not trigger this turn.
[02:59:59] Dragoon1140: It must have been a bad Photon then.
[03:00:10] TimerClock14: what are you blarghing about kuro?
[03:00:17] Appa: xdude should come on.
[03:00:17] Zblader: Blargh kuro:
[03:00:18] Zblader: ?
[03:00:35] guest-7524: Zblader that sounds good
[03:00:39] Ryan666: Wow appa, he won't be on for like 6 more hours or more.
[03:00:42] Zblader: Thanks guest
[03:00:42] guest-7524: Combines well with BoL
[03:00:46] guest-7524: *Blight
[03:01:06] guest-7524: making aether better vs death
[03:01:08] Appa: awww
[03:01:16] Teaisgood: BLights are my fav
[03:01:22] Thatnewguy: Depression sucks >.>
[03:01:22] guest-7524: Cause right now its one of its biggest weaknesses
[03:01:27] Zblader: what's Blight again?
[03:01:37] Ryan666: Ball lightning.
[03:01:39] Thatnewguy: Ball of lightning.
[03:01:39] DrunkDestroyer: Ok guys: new plan. I'm going out apparently. Cya all!
[03:01:42] pikachufan2164: Ball Lightning, Z
[03:01:53] Ryan666: I ish a ninja.
[03:01:56] Thatnewguy: Night.
[03:01:56] Wardead: Hey guys
[03:02:04] Kuroaitou: Hey Wardead
[03:02:05] Dragoon1140: Bye DrunkD.
[03:02:05] guest-7524: Bye DD
[03:02:07] Teaisgood: Hiya
[03:02:08] Ryan666: Night tng
[03:02:08] Wardead: Wow I just realized how noob-ish I was before >..
[03:02:11] Teaisgood: Bye DD
[03:02:14] Dragoon1140: Hello Wardead.
[03:02:22] Thatnewguy: Night to DD, not me.
[03:02:26] Vyrys_Complex: AI just used Gravity Pull on a Lava Golem it had BB'd earlier that I used a Rage Potion on
[03:02:26] Wardead: The Xenocider Is Back, Bye DD, Hai Kuro, Drag, Tea
[03:02:34] zyz1: i dont think aether is my golem
[03:02:39] Teaisgood: inetersting
[03:02:49] zyz1: element*
[03:02:53] Zblader: Hi wardead.
[03:02:56] Appa: D:
[03:03:01] Zblader: anyway, so what's going to happen to anubis then?
[03:03:19] Wardead: How in the world did a typo make element into golem? O.O
[03:03:28] guest-7524: Zblader put it in suggestions?
[03:03:29] Wardead: Hi Zbla
[03:03:33] Zblader: LOL.
[03:03:56] Zblader: ... I swear, chat god hates me.
[03:04:12] BPAV: hey all
[03:04:18] Zblader: hi BP.
[03:04:27] Wardead: Hai BPA
[03:04:29] Zblader: guys, would this ability be treated as a nerf or a buff?
[03:04:36] Teaisgood: t50 god hates me <<<< keeps fighting CCYB and other FG decks
[03:04:52] Teaisgood: but good fg decks, not bad ones
[03:04:59] Zblader: Or is it just a change to anubis?
[03:05:04] Kuroaitou: Call it a buff.
[03:05:14] zyz1: lol..
[03:05:17] Zblader: alright then, buff it is.
[03:05:20] Kuroaitou: Given its less-than-optimal usage in decks.

Anyway,  on to the main point. Anubis is pretty underused these days in the game because there are two other cards that do it's job much better, Aether Nymph and Quintessence. After tossing a few possibilities around, I came up with this idea for a buff:

 " : Guardian - Death effects are not triggered this turn."

The reason I feel this works is because Anubis is the guardian of the dead, and he doesn't want  elementals walking all over his realm corrupting souls. Also, it would make a good counter to death trigger cards, as well as giving the card a niche to fill that currently isn'toccupied by another card.

Please discuss.

[Nepycros]

Anubis is a tricky character. Well, stopping death effects for one turn is pretty much based on the prevention of any based strategy, so I'm against it, seeing as how it nullifies an entire elemental strategy which is the cornerstone of the element in question.

My opinion is that this guy should be allowed to "Harbor" souls. Harbor: The next creature that dies adds half its attack to Anubis for one turn" sounds about right, don'cha think?

[Ryan666]

I think that the cost of it needs to be moved down to like 6 because it's so expensive that no one uses him.

[RootRanger]

It is unfair that only the Aether nymph has its ability shared by another card. Additionally, I don't think I almost never see Anubises (Anubi?) in PvP. I think it should have some new ability, but not one that doesn't nerf four perfectly fine death cards.

[Dragoon1140]

Anubis is just fine as a card.  The only problem is Quintessence, which is better than both Aether Nymph and Anubis.

My solution:  Change Quintessence to have a different effect and Anubis will see some use again.

[Time_lord_victorius]

actually anubis is the god that accompanies the dead toward the next life and protects them from harmful spirits in the egyptian religion if i'm right of course. so here's the effect i propose. deathward :for one turn,if the target creature dies , it does not activate death related abilities (such as soulcatcher, vulture, boneyard, etc)

of course i have another idea.  soul warden: : any damage dealt to targeted creature is redirected to anubis for one turn. of course that would mean making anubis a little more tanky. maybe like a 5/10.

thats what i got so far

[Time_lord_victorius]

Anubis is just fine as a card.  The only problem is Quintessence, which is better than both Aether Nymph and Anubis.

My solution:  Change Quintessence to have a different effect and Anubis will see some use again.

ah, there's a problem there. nymphs are the living reprensentation of the alchemy potions. change the potion and you need to change the nymph. it's anubis that needs to change.

[OldTrees]

Quint is better than Anubis because Quint on a stick does not provide enough uses to be worth the cost.
Two solutions
Decrease the cost for the skill/creature to account for the limited worthy targets
Increase the average number of worthy targets
Change the effect

Three
Three solutions
Decrease the cost for the skill/creature to account for the limited worthy targets
Increase the average number of worthy targets
Change the effect
Reduce Stat value and Cost to make a cheaper vehicle for the Quint on a stick

Four
Four Solutions
Decrease the cost for the skill/creature to account for the limited worthy targets
Increase the average number of worthy targets
Change the effect
Reduce Stat value and Cost to make a cheaper vehicle for the Quint on a stick
?

ok no fifth idea.

[Hyroen]

How about:

Embalm: Upon death of target creature, apply 2 poison counters on its enemy.
Appears as a tiny ankh on the creature.
Pseudo-immortality anyone?

[Dragoon1140]

ah, there's a problem there. nymphs are the living reprensentation of the alchemy potions. change the potion and you need to change the nymph.

That's the point I'm trying to make.  Aether Nymph is considered weak because Quintessence is so much better, and, thus, Anubis is considered weak because Quintessence and Aether Nymph just does it better.

As I said in that chat log in the OP, why buff everything else when one can just change the problem?

[Glitch]

Honestly, I'd make the ability more expensive and the creature cheaper, strengthen the mono but weaken the duo.

[Uppercut]

If there was no problem with Anubis then there should be no need to retcon it now. Powercreep happened, thats all. Its healthy.