[Official] Abomination | Micro Abomination

[Dm]

It's niche.

That's exactly what justifies it's spot in the deck. Because you know, it's niche. Only it can do it.

Why not? Because the element is already good as is, the element would not need this card to have a buff, the rest of the game would not need this change. While I find it fun you guys are looking at this card and comparing it to others you are also forgetting to look at the entropy element itself, and how complete it is when compared to the elements of the creatures you have been comparing micro abomination to.

[serprex]

But a counter argument would point out Brimstone Eater being the same as Damselfly, except costing 1 . and are "complete" so one could find balance in making them more expensive

Essentially pointing out that Micro Abomination may be balanced to Entropy relative to Damselfly being balanced to Air. Which leads back to the idea that one could buff a card by buffing another. To again cite the synergy you hate that we keep bringing up, BE is seen as UP due to it's cost being too high, and lowering it's cost by 1 essentially lowers Micro Abominations cost by 1 without making it free. Any buff to BE buffs Micro. Which is likely the better route

I was pointing out Damselfly and such, however, because they're free. So they're better for Mutation and arguably Fractal. 8 may not be too expensive for a more CC resistant swarm. Fractal makes it more important to survive RoF, Thunderstorm, Pandemonium, Plague, than to survive what Micro doesn't (Rage pot, any 10+ bolt, Shockwave, Lightning. Survives Snipe)

[Dm]

Then you'd be buffing two cards that don't need a buff, thus expanding our problem.
And, as you say BE is UP, I assume you haven't fought a proper BE deck. It is underused, though.

Any buff to BE does NOT buff micro, not a big buff, as Micro is not made for BE and BE only. Butterfly Effect and Micro Abomination is not a forced combo and should not be treated as such.

I found the rest of your post irrelevant to our current discussion.

[serprex]

Wow. Way to misinterpret me. I wasn't suggesting buffing both, I was underlining the idea of mutual exclusion of buffs

I was agreeing with you, and showing that I had made points that agreed with you prior. But I guess that's irrelevant

I was pointing out how to buff potentially UP dimensions of an otherwise fine card. That a card can be made versatile without being made OP. That just because it has other balanced uses doesn't mean it can't be buffed without making it OP

I was trying to salvage this thread's misguided start

Learn to read, I'm done writing

[Dm]

Indeed, I misunderstood. However it'd be a good idea not to skip into "learn how to read."

I thank your input, but if a card is not UP there is no need to buff it, and if it is not OP there is no need to nerf it.

PS: Agreeing with me is indeed kind of irrelevant, as it is a point that I have already stated. Buffing potentially UP dimensions is unnecessary. The card is already versatile. You were saying buffing BE would buff Micro, and that's just... not right. As I said, Micro and BE is not a forced combo and should not be treated as such. By buffing BE you are also buffing other cards that would benefit off BE. You're buffing BE, not the other cards. Buffing BE is not to be discussed in this thread, either, as buffing Micro Abomination =/= buffing BE, and vice-versa.

[Zergva]

Any buff to BE does NOT buff micro, not a big buff, as Micro is not made for BE and BE only. Butterfly Effect and Micro Abomination is not a forced combo and should not be treated as such.

Any buff on B.E. DOES buff (indirectly) micro (as SoFree goes well with the Air rush), because they can be combinated very well ( and can be done in mono).

The main problem with the Micro abomination that is hard to be buffed:

More atk->break existing combo, so actually it's a nerf. But it'll make Micro abomination a brutal card (OP) for the crucial atk/cost ratio.
Free price | 1  -> Makes a different card, by be used ONLY in other decks (except novabow, but not for the thematic).
More hp -> nearly useless, for it's price, it's a very resistant creature and the only thing, what you can make, an other fractal duo or mitosis (not thematic).

Ability -> Luminescense is not really a matter, because it's slightly weak for this type of combination. And giving it an ability-> becomes ability monster -> must nerf the atk/def ->different card
If we want to evade that, we should make a nearly useless ability for it (same as 'web' on Flesh spider). But why should we give sthing, what doesn't help. Btw I don't think you can give something useless for  Entrophy can generate quanta really fast ( + both ).

Indirekt buff -> In existing card, it's changes the balance of the game (metagame), so just slowly,carefully. Micro abomination has a huge combosive potential, so that way van be useful.

And I think Micro abomination just underused, not UP. In ratios and potential it's very good (compare with Minor phoenix). But in my opinion underused card needs help too.

It's just my view for discussion, so not carved in stone.

[Dm]

Buffing B.E therefore does buff all cards with <3 cards as they also can synergize with BE.
Agreed with the rest, however; Underused, not UnderPowered.

[Zergva]

We are near the riverside of Off-Topic so can I invite all of you for a modest necrodiscussion at there? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29065.0.html

[bossitron]

Compare to cockatrice. or ghost of the past.

[kirbylover314]

If it really needs a buff, I'll go with -1 cost

[Devourer]

Cockatrice is  , known for cheap creatures, and GotP has less health AND a drawback ability that lowers its cost. Abomination has no special features or abilities, and thus no reason to lower the cost.
It has a quanta efficiency of 1. It has usage in unupped monoentropy, which is a reasonably effective deck. Good health to attack and cost ratio. I see no reason to buff it.

[eaglgenes101]

What really needs a buff is the upped form. But more about that on some other thread.