Forum Brawl #5 - Round 1 - Voting Phase

[Espithel]

Team Vote Round 1 by Espithel

Boss Fiery Hot Mixtape Because being honest makes us lose points League of Shadows gg. Artist Fiery Hot Mixtape I believe the ability to imitate a converter is a talented skill indeed. League of Shadows ASCII art using multiple tiny dots that you zoom out and see tones are boring, anyway. Good classic design. CD Fiery Hot Mixtape Thermodynamics are hot. Gaia's Pride Because it's not gravity and it's not horribly unbalanced. Now, Toadally neutral. the issue with making cards for cheap and using the fact that you can't use multiple copies of them as a downside, is that that 3 drop is just going to replace wyrm, an already highly viable card, as a 1/2 of in SouFflé decks. Why are you making SouFflé decks strictly better? Pls. DB & FE Fiery Hot Mixtape We're just going to tell them to make these decks anyway. Why not just save time? You lot decided to sacrifice function for originality. I'm annoyed. League of Shadows Your examples simply make the best decks, even though it has the highest potential for error. Writer Fiery Hot Mixtape Gershon Legman, who compiled the largest and most scholarly anthology, held that the true limerick as a folk form is always obscene, and cites similar opinions by Arnold Bennett and George Bernard Shaw, describing the clean limerick as a "periodic fad and object of magazine contests, rarely rising above mediocrity". From a folkloric point of view, the form is essentially transgressive; violation of taboo is part of its function. Minus the fact that it's the only true limerick, it's actually somewhat memorable. And funny. The chaosomes Because I have to vote on someone else to give my own team points (e.e) Might as well give it to the better team if I'm going to be a snarky arse.

[trashduke]

Community Vote Round 1 by trashduke

Boss League of Shadows Abyss Brawlers Artist The Chaosomes Abyss Brawlers CD Gaia's Pride Fiery-Hot Mixtape DB & FE League of Shadows - awesome idea! *** Writer Gaia's Pride The Chaosomes

Nice job all brawlers!

[Basman-1453]

Community Vote Round 1 by Basman-1453

Boss A Toadally Newtral Team (Dude, that's a toadally, frogging swag logo! ) Abyss Brawlers (Is that thing supposed to be a Hydreigon? XD) Artist League of Shadows (I love how they give the task an unorthodox interpretations. XD) The Chaosomes (Awesome, like their name says, issues surrounding ASCII converters notwithstanding) CD League of Shadows (I found myself preferring their interpretation of gravitational wave over AB's ^^;) A Toadally Newtral Team (Rad mechanics. Maybe with some little quanta tweaks. Those themes probably fits Light or Gravity better, though, prolly Aether too.) DB & FE League of Shadows (It's a rad idea to let newbies at least have an idea how to really use the cards they are starting with. More importantly, it lets you actually choose what you start with. Just rad.) Abyss Brawlers (A very close call with A Toadally Newtral Team's entry, I must admit. It was the starting decks they offered that tipped the scales to their favour. Writer Abyss Brawlers (Great references to the game's less notable mechanics. Also, that last line in the last limerick is just hilariously relevant to that one losing condition, decking out XD) League of Shadows (What are you doing, trashtalking on round one of the six rounds Brawl is composed of? XD)

Thoughts:
Deck Builder/Forum Experts
While LoS is clearly on the lead in my book, the second place is less clear-cut. One thing is clear, though; I'm not going to vote Fiery-Hot Mixtape.
Also, ATNT and AB offer painfully similar ideas they might even open possibilities of backdoor deals accusations
Writers
Another "one clear winner, less clear-cut seconds, some 'clearly not gonna vote this' candidates" here XP
This time, it has even more potential seconds, since there's only one 'clearly not gonna vote this': Fiery-Hot Mixtape.
The other three (GP, ATNT, and TC) are pretty close to LoS, but that trashtalk managed to sway me to the Dark Side of the Force of Fate of the Forum. XD

[rob77dp]

@ Bas RE: DB/FE R1 Submission:
The idea is that a newer player can experience a deck/strategy several times before being allowed (What newbie doesn't end up charging headlong into the next difficulty, ready or not?) to escalate the opposing difficulty level.

[Basman-1453]

Ahh, got that covered. XP
Gonna salvage GP from my DB/FE 'unvotables' list now~

[Calindu]

Community Vote Round 1 by Calindu

Boss *** *** Artist *** *** CD *** *** DB & FE League of Shadows Abyss Brawlers Writer *** ***

I'll rank the submissions for DB

Spoiler for 1. League of Shadows:

I like how you built the decks, you allow the new players to have some sort of control over their starting deck while not allowing them to auto build a very strong deck or a very bad deck.
Also, you offer proper explanation for each card added.

Spoiler for 2. Abyss Brawlers:

I like that you kept the starting decks as 40 cards decks with a main element and a support one. I also like that you allow players to choose between a control and a rush, and also that you don't give them bad decks.

Spoiler for 3. The Chaosomes:

Same as with Abyss Brawlers, just that you don't have 2 decks per element and some of those decks are kind of bad.

Spoiler for 4. Fiery-Hot Mixtape:

Starting decks shouldn't really be 30 cards killing machine, I agree they shouldn't be as bad as they are now, but they shouldn't be Psiontal mono aether either. Also, in most CCGs, the starting deck you get is quite bad, it improves over time instead.

Spoiler for 5. Gaia's Pride:

First of all, you weren't asked to revamp the quest system, which is pretty much what you did.
Secondly, the idea behind most of your themed decks is wrong, some of those strategies aren't that easy to understand for a newbie or aren't interesting.
Let's take a look at Earth's themed deck, Immortal, while fairly interesting for a player that knows the game, for a newbie you are looking at 10+ minutes of boring to death against an Ai2.
Thirdly, you haven't specified anything about what new players will do with their themed decks? If they manage to somehow still play the game after winning 2 games with Immortal against Ai2, will they get it and go suicide with it into Ai3? Or will they actually get a new deck?

I won't vote for anything else.

[Zawadx]

Community Vote Round 1 by Zawadx

Boss The Chaosomes A Toadally Newtral Team Artist Abyss Brawlers A Toadally Newtral Team CD A Toadally Newtral Team Abyss Brawlers DB & FE Gaia's Pride League of Shadows Writer Fiery-Hot Mixtape Abyss Brawlers

Only minor comments on most stuff as I don't know about them.

Boss and Artist: Voted based on which looked better. But everything really looked fantastic, great job!
CD: Ticking Time Bomb seems really similar to the Time Bomb creature that has been done before. Pauli's is a cool scientific principle, and the application is very neat (even though the card needs balancing). I liked Abyss's implementation of Gravitational Waves better, and it seems much more elgant than the rest. The last three just did not seem interesting.

DB&FE: My initial thoughts on the matter is that starters should be decent decks capable of beating AI2 once the player learns to use its combos, and show a path towards beating AI3. The early AI levels are there for a reason, and a started deck should have scope for improvement. And it should display more of the awesomeness of the game.

Gaia's Pride: I actually like the progression here, as it lets you experiment with a lot of stuff. Ofco we should let the players play around with a deck more than a couple of matches, but that can be fixed. My only problem is having Immortal as a starter deck - it's best to keep some damage sources in the deck at the start.

A Toadally Newtral Team: I like the rush and stall distinction, though it could be termed better for new players. The decks are great, with enough damage and stuff to help players get a grip on the game.

Abyss Brawlers: Like above, but I like your implementation a bit better. More card variety is best to start with.

League of Shadows: Neat idea, but where do you go from there? Not introducing duos seems to be an iffy idea to me, because being restricted to one element might make it harder for a player to get into the deckbuilding of the game. But I do like the customization features.

Fiery-Hot Mixtape: Yeah, no. Giving players ready-made decks doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

The Chaosomes: Decent but I think others have done it better.

I went with Gaia and Shadows because I liked how they implemented playing with the decks rather than just handing them out.

Writing: Needs to be more funny. Voted for the funny ones, A Toadally Newtral Team gets honorable mentions

[Naii_the_Baf]

With all the stuff that the other teams made about the artist's task, I feel really wasted. I put a hecka efforts, and tried to do something that was worth it. I seriously hoped for the other teams to do their best. At first, when I saw their submissions, I was astonished, as I knew I would lose with honor. Then this revealing came, that most of the teams used ASCII converters, and just modified everything. Even though the use of ASCII converters was allowed, I seriously was expecting the other teams would make me lose with honor, not with machines. It's pretty sad to know that some teams put whatever efforts they can just to see that the competitors just do almost nothing. Not even a little bit. Yes, maybe you did modify the converted images, but that isn't what the thing is really about. The ASCII art is a challenge, not something where you just give images to machines. ASCII art is making it whole, maybe a base or two that you remake yourself, but... Not machines.

This, is just like a mutiny. You disrespected the ASCII art style whole.

[Zyardran]

Hey fab. I know you're upset and all, but I'm pretty sure most teams use converters because they don't know how to properly make ASCII art by themselves. Sorry bud ^^"

[JonathanCrazyJ]

With all the stuff that the other teams made about the artist's task, I feel really wasted. I put a hecka efforts, and tried to do something that was worth it. I seriously hoped for the other teams to do their best. At first, when I saw their submissions, I was astonished, as I knew I would lose with honor. Then this revealing came, that most of the teams used ASCII converters, and just modified everything. Even though the use of ASCII converters was allowed, I seriously was expecting the other teams would make me lose with honor, not with machines. It's pretty sad to know that some teams put whatever efforts they can just to see that the competitors just do almost nothing. Not even a little bit. Yes, maybe you did modify the converted images, but that isn't what the thing is really about. The ASCII art is a challenge, not something where you just give images to machines. ASCII art is making it whole, maybe a base or two that you remake yourself, but... Not machines.

This, is just like a mutiny. You disrespected the ASCII art style whole.

Don't worry too much until you see the final voting, I wouldn't be suprised to see yours win or come second

[Espithel]

Hey fab. I know you're upset and all, but I'm pretty sure most teams use converters because they don't know how to properly make ASCII art by themselves. Sorry bud ^^"

Implying you're supposed to make good art?

[Naii_the_Baf]

Hey fab. I know you're upset and all, but I'm pretty sure most teams use converters because they don't know how to properly make ASCII art by themselves. Sorry bud ^^"

Implying you're supposed to make good art?

I do know and notice that I'm not the best, but effort is effort and this brawl isn't about machinery making tasks that are supposed to be manmade.
I still prefer exactly what people prefer: true potential. Not, the... (Whatever you want to call it) you people did.