Brawl #4 - Round 6 - Voting Phase

[rob77dp]

hang on, so if it's half votes, we will lose 16 points from losing both challenges.

If we don't send them in, we just lose 10 because they count as declined?

This makes no sense. If this is the way it works then please consider them declined unless they were sent to nae before the deadline.

My 2 (unsolicited here):  I have always treated late sub as HALF POINTS and not half votes because as now stated here twice half votes is almost certainly auto-last among submissions whereas half points is a penalty (stiffer in late rounds) but not a death-sentence on that submission.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Thought it was half ultimate points? As in if the round was worth 10 points for a win, a late submission that won would get 5 points, but voting would be the same? Half votes is tantamount to definite last place in any round, makes it pointless even sending it in... seems harsh considering most if not all late submissions have been completed on time and just miss-communicated.

But oh well ARTH they should be in your inbox from me, and hopefully they will be in Nae's inbox from before deadline so it won't matter

hang on, so if it's half votes, we will lose 16 points from losing both challenges.

If we don't send them in, we just lose 10 because they count as declined?

This makes no sense. If this is the way it works then please consider them declined unless they were sent to nae before the deadline.

Stop overthinking everything, jonathan. By the 1/2 votes I meant 1/2 points; that's the way we solved these issues even in past Brawls.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Stop overthinking everything, jonathan. By the 1/2 votes I meant 1/2 points; that's the way we solved these issues even in past Brawls.

Whew haha, had me going there thanks for clarification

And btw thanks rob77 for the 2

[andretimpa]

So they win 4 points if they have the most votes but lose 8 if they have the least (or 4?)? Scoring remains unchanged for the challengers?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

On another note... That Jade Dragon is a work of friggin genius. Bravo.

[OldTrees]

Gross oversimplification of Card Design task submissions:
Ragnarok: Has an  casting cost and a trigger checking if  was used to pay the cost. Either this is 2 or 12 neither

It consumes three elements, one being water, at its optimal usage, making it incorporate three quanta types due to the RNG nature of selection.
Just because those types weren't fixed, does not mean that it does not incorporate three different types.

-snip-

And Rob, my understanding, is if there are multiple elements to drain, it picks as many as it needs, then drains.
If that's not my understanding, then this card would still be best used in a trio (Maybe quartet) anyways, and even if it isn't, it really, really should be. If that does somehow break the card, then I'll apologise and throw some errata on the notes if that's necessary - because that's the assumption on how the quanta system works, and that's how everyone wants Brew to work, so why not?

X acts like the following:
1) Pick an element that has quanta and remove 1 of its quanta
2) Repeat step 1 until X quanta has be removed
So your understanding was incorrect.

In a Trio(assuming at least 3 quanta of each type in the pools to simplify the equation)
There are 27 possible scenarios:
3 are all from 1 type(3,0,0)
18 are 2 from 1 and 1 from a 2nd(2,1,0)
6 are 1 from each(1,1,1)

The RNG nature of rainbow selection may use 3 from one element, 2 from one element and one from another, or 1 from three elements.  This would mean OT's point (it is not exactly 3 elements of usage/affect/incorporation) is still valid regarding the submission.

Right?  (I have just confirmed in-game that Luciferin can be 1 quanta used from two elements to make up the 2 rainbow cost)

Correct.

[Chapuz]

Finally!

My Vote Round 6 by Chapuz

Boss Red Stars Frostbite Artist Red Stars Meaning of Life CD & DB Ragnarok Red Stars FE *** *** OT & Writer *** *** BONUS MoL Ragnarok SUPER BONUS *** *** Challenge "A" *** n/a

Boss:
Incredibly drawn, Stars and Frostbite.
MoL's one was less representative of the previous draw (art) and Ragnarok... I thought everyone was going to understand that it had to be a paper draw.

Artist:
WHAT - THE- ZANZ MoL and Red Stars!
The only submission I wouldn't have voted for is Ragnarok's one, because the task says "craft" and the other submissions... crafted.
The only reason I didn't vote for Frostbite is because the other 2 ones look more awesome. This includes the Wine Dragon. SUCH an enjoyable task to vote.

CD + DB: MoL's one requires too many elements for just dealing poison, plus the main CC of the deck (poison) is too fragile to better CC.
Ragnarok's one is awesome, involving 3 elements when not including the cost. I don't like much the "again if  because I feel it can make it unbalanced but the idea is neat.
The Chamaleon looks like a nerfed Oty, it needs 3 elements and takes some turns to get some HP. Yes, it can heap itself up to 5 HP, yet...
The Bond has no explanation nor deck.
Red Star's one looks adaptable to many decks where creatures have abilities of other elements, I like that card too. The idea is original, I can't recall seeing it before, and the deck shows a good use of the card.

Bonus:
MoL: Nice! Representative of your name and well produced.
Ragnarok: You made me laugh, you deserve the vote.
Frostbite:  ,  and  symbols together hurt my eyes.
Stars and Gravy... really, the same thing? What happened?



Other votes: On this days.

[Zawadx]

Ragnarok... I thought everyone was going to understand that it had to be a paper draw.

Just ftr, Nae said that it didn't have to be traditional media. It did have to be a drawing though.

[andretimpa]

Stars and Gravy... really, the same thing? What happened?

Great minds think alike 

[flyingcat]

Spoiler for RL:

[Espithel]

And Rob, my understanding, is if there are multiple elements to drain, it picks as many as it needs, then drains.
If that's not my understanding, then this card would still be best used in a trio (Maybe quartet) anyways, and even if it isn't, it really, really should be. If that does somehow break the card, then I'll apologise and throw some errata on the notes if that's necessary - because that's the assumption on how the quanta system works, and that's how everyone wants Brew to work, so why not?

Brew is now rigged to always drain as many quanta types as possible.
Annoying, inconsistent problem solved. The card now incorporates three elements at optimum play.
... Although the fact that this took a semi-harsh berating by the card designer adapting how the card works mid-voting doesn't look that good. Oh well.

[theelkspeaks]

Finally!

My Vote Round 6 by Chapuz

Boss Red Stars Frostbite Artist Red Stars Meaning of Life CD & DB Ragnarok Red Stars FE *** *** OT & Writer *** *** BONUS MoL Ragnarok SUPER BONUS *** *** Challenge "A" *** n/a

Boss:
Incredibly drawn, Stars and Frostbite.
MoL's one was less representative of the previous draw (art) and Ragnarok... I thought everyone was going to understand that it had to be a paper draw.

Artist:
WHAT - THE- ZANZ MoL and Red Stars!
The only submission I wouldn't have voted for is Ragnarok's one, because the task says "craft" and the other submissions... crafted.
The only reason I didn't vote for Frostbite is because the other 2 ones look more awesome. This includes the Wine Dragon. SUCH an enjoyable task to vote.

CD + DB: MoL's one requires too many elements for just dealing poison, plus the main CC of the deck (poison) is too fragile to better CC.
Ragnarok's one is awesome, involving 3 elements when not including the cost. I don't like much the "again if  because I feel it can make it unbalanced but the idea is neat.
The Chamaleon looks like a nerfed Oty, it needs 3 elements and takes some turns to get some HP. Yes, it can heap itself up to 5 HP, yet...
The Bond has no explanation nor deck.
Red Star's one looks adaptable to many decks where creatures have abilities of other elements, I like that card too. The idea is original, I can't recall seeing it before, and the deck shows a good use of the card.

Bonus:
MoL: Nice! Representative of your name and well produced.
Ragnarok: You made me laugh, you deserve the vote.
Frostbite:  ,  and  symbols together hurt my eyes.
Stars and Gravy... really, the same thing? What happened?



Other votes: On this days.

The paint by elements selection both we and gravy did was a paint of the icon chosen as the victorious icon for Brawl 4.  We also did a paint of eljoemo's avatar, but decided to ditch it for something more Brawl related.