Brawl #4 - Round 6 - Voting Phase

[OldTrees]

Gross oversimplification of Card Design task submissions:
MoL: Casting Cost, Absorb Cost(to charge up), Activation Cost(to sacrifice)
FB: Casting Cost, 2 Activation costs(active skill changed by hp)
Ragnarok: Has an  casting cost and a trigger checking if  was used to pay the cost. Either this is 2 or 12 neither of which is 3. I believe the card designer confused quanta types( ) with elements(Water).
RS: Casting Cost, Activation Cost, Changes target's Activation Cost to your Mark
GTC: Casting Cost, 2 types Generated

[ARTHANASIOS]

Can you confirm that there are no/late subs from Gravy in Boss, Artist and FE? 

I will check.
Nae can check too.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Assuming they were not sent in and haven't just been missed, Arth, Nae, can we send in our CD challenges now (as they have been finished for ages) and if we win, just win 4 points rather than 8?

EDIT: AD Storm Bolt was the one who would have sent them in, and could easily have sent then with a wrong subject line, or to only one brawlmaster - double check maybe? :S If not we can send them in whenever for late submission as they have been completed for so long.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Assuming they were not sent in and haven't just been missed, Arth, Nae, can we send in our CD challenges now (as they have been finished for ages) and if we win, just win 4 points rather than 8?

EDIT: AD Storm Bolt was the one who would have sent them in, and could easily have sent then with a wrong subject line, or to only one brawlmaster - double check maybe? :S If not we can send them in whenever for late submission as they have been completed for so long.

If Nae has them in her inbox (you know, some Brawlers have a bad habit of PMing only 1 of the 2 Brawlmasters ), then I will place them without any penalty. Otherwise, you are going to get the normal 1/2-of-the-votes penalty. In both cases, the -10 points from declining penalty will be lifted.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Arth I will PM then to you now so they are up for people to see, then if Nae does find them, remove penalty

[ARTHANASIOS]

Arth I will PM then to you now so they are up for people to see, then if Nae does find them, remove penalty

Please do so...

[andretimpa]

How would the scoring work assuming the challenges are late?

[Espithel]

Gross oversimplification of Card Design task submissions:
Ragnarok: Has an  casting cost and a trigger checking if  was used to pay the cost. Either this is 2 or 12 neither

It consumes three elements, one being water, at its optimal usage, making it incorporate three quanta types due to the RNG nature of selection.
Just because those types weren't fixed, does not mean that it does not incorporate three different types.

TL;DR This CD's task is stupid on the grounds of being far too vague. There. I said it. Grrrrrrr.

Edit:
Being less emotional, I believe brew consumes up to three, with three being its optimum use... Thus making it incorporate exactly 3 quanta types (at optimum use. Which is really the only use you should care about.) Note that, the more elements you add in, the worse brew becomes - The check is what makes the card truly amazing, and running more elements makes the chance of consuming water weaker and weaker. It's best in trio, because trio can always drain it. It's worse in duo because when have you ever wanted a lot of NTs?

Branding Iron comes under the same criticism here - If you use a fire or an earth mark, it only incorporates two quanta types.
But I'll defend it because fire/earth marks don't give it optimum use. Fire and Earth don't have any cards that benefit from this... Except Seraph, perhaps. And why not just use a light mark for that and drop all the earth...?

But what if you make a trio with two pends and a third mark, the mark being fire or earth? Then it's only incorporate two elements in a trio-based deck. In brew, you drain three quanta types at optimum use.

And Rob, my understanding, is if there are multiple elements to drain, it picks as many as it needs, then drains.
If that's not my understanding, then this card would still be best used in a trio (Maybe quartet) anyways, and even if it isn't, it really, really should be. If that does somehow break the card, then I'll apologise and throw some errata on the notes if that's necessary - because that's the assumption on how the quanta system works, and that's how everyone wants Brew to work, so why not?

[ARTHANASIOS]

How would the scoring work assuming the challenges are late?

The casual way we use to solve issues like these; 1/2 of votes for late submissions.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Thought it was half ultimate points? As in if the round was worth 10 points for a win, a late submission that won would get 5 points, but voting would be the same? Half votes is tantamount to definite last place in any round, makes it pointless even sending it in... seems harsh considering most if not all late submissions have been completed on time and just miss-communicated.

But oh well ARTH they should be in your inbox from me, and hopefully they will be in Nae's inbox from before deadline so it won't matter

[rob77dp]

Gross oversimplification of Card Design task submissions:
Ragnarok: Has an  casting cost and a trigger checking if  was used to pay the cost. Either this is 2 or 12 neither

It consumes three elements, one being water, at its optimal usage, making it incorporate three quanta types due to the RNG nature of selection.
Just because those types weren't fixed, does not mean that it does not incorporate three different types.

TL;DR This CD's task is stupid on the grounds of being far too vague. There. I said it. Grrrrrrr.

RE: yellow'd text in quote...

The RNG nature of rainbow selection may use 3 from one element, 2 from one element and one from another, or 1 from three elements.  This would mean OT's point (it is not exactly 3 elements of usage/affect/incorporation) is still valid regarding the submission.

Right?  (I have just confirmed in-game that Luciferin can be 1 quanta used from two elements to make up the 2 rainbow cost)

[JonathanCrazyJ]

hang on, so if it's half votes, we will lose 16 points from losing both challenges.

If we don't send them in, we just lose 10 because they count as declined?

This makes no sense. If this is the way it works then please consider them declined unless they were sent to nae before the deadline.