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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134371#msg1134371
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2014, 06:19:45 pm »
Shouldn't your opinion be based off the facts though?

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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134372#msg1134372
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2014, 06:28:41 pm »
Shouldn't your opinion be based off the facts though?
Did I say my opinion wasn't based in fact?

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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134373#msg1134373
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2014, 06:31:45 pm »
Shouldn't your opinion be based off the facts though?

Nae's opinion, like all opinions, is based on a synthesis of facts with personal stances.  Please do not continue to be so rude towards our Brawlmasters.  A legitimate disagreement of opinion is one thing, but your tone of disrespect is uncalled for towards a person who is taking her own time to organize a MASSIVE event for the community.  An organizer has some degree of control over their event because they are responsible for the success of the event, just as a director of a play can choose which pieces of a work of theatre they wish to modify to suit the concept they wish to pursue with it.  If the organizers of an event feel that an elitist vote INHERENTLY CLASHES WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE EVENT, you need to respect that, even if that's "just an opinion".
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134434#msg1134434
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2014, 04:19:54 am »
Oh, well Im sorry and sincerely appologize if anyone took my tone the way elk did.  :o I didn't expect it to be taken so harshly. I was legitemently asking if her opinion was based off facts, or if it also included some perspective from what Nae thought best because, as elk pointed out, she is responsible for the success of the massive event. I certainly did mean to respect her decision in not allowing an elitist vote by stating I completely agreed with her. But thats my opinion and so is hers. I was only trying to look at it from the other perspective and arouse it in conversation to make sure of a complete and thoroughly discussed situation to leave no doubt that what the end result of having no elitist type of vote is best. Now that the opinion and judgement is made of no elitist voting I was only trying to arouse more then opinion by trying to look at only the cold hard facts of the situation. If the cold hard facts and the opinions are in sync with each other, which they usually are, then and only then can you be 100% sure that the end decision is thoroughly discussed and entirely correct. I was asking a series of questions to answer the big question of "does having an elitist vote have some merit and pro's over a non-elitist voting style?" Again, I'm sincerely sorry to all and to anyone who understood my intentions and what I said earlier the way elk did.

P.S. "...my opinion (and that of any other Brawlmaster) does matter in how we think is best to direct the event." I didn't understand why it mattered. Which is what I wanted to find out, but didn't want to sound rude by just asking "Why does your opinion matter?" to only hear "Because I'm a brawlmaster." Elk just had said it's because she is the one responsible for the success of the massive event. That's why it matters. So thank you.

To me opinions should never matter unless trying to figure out what someone will do or say. Opinions are more of a 1 perspective thing instead of a whole group, but brawl is a group event. That's why I didn't understand why any opinion, even brawl masters, should matter. That's MY generalized perspective on opinions and that's why I reacted the way I did. For the 3rd time, if this has offended anyone, I'm sorry. I was only trying to voice this without being rude, but appearently failed to do so and thus making a lengthy explanation by being blunt of what I did.
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134444#msg1134444
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2014, 07:04:49 am »
Thanks for the apologies Branden.

As was stated, opinions are composed of a combination of how one interprets facts and one's past experiences. While opinions are something only a group can share while a fact is something we all (usually) must agree on, there is no factual best voting system because the people in the event all have different opinions on what the best voting system would be. If there were a factual best voting system, we'd most likely have already found and accepted it and not had a debate. And that is why opinions matter: because what the brawlers want and what the brawlmasters think is best should coincide as well as possible into what would make the best event.

Now, to analyze some "facts", or at least my interpretation of the facts as pros and cons, for systems

Spoiler for Elitist vote:
This system would have only an elite select few choosing who wins each round.
+ Most likely the "best" submission will win
+ No team bias (supposedly)
- Susceptible to corruption
- Personal biases
- One persons opinion only
- Takes away the best person from each role from competing
- Brawlers (those most interested) don't get to really show their opinions
Spoiler for Mixed Vote Current System:
Our current system which has a couple elite votes and a democratic vote
+ Low to no chance for corruption
+ Many opinions
+ Everyone interested can participate
+/- The most overall liked submission wins
- Team bias (Reduced by the double vote system)
- Personal Bias (Reduced by only having the Brawlmasters be the Elite)

Spoiler for Democratic Vote:
A system where everyone's votes counted equal
+Many opinions
+Everyone interested can participate
+ Personal biases will have little to no effect
+/- The most overall liked submission usually wins
-Team Bias (Reduced by a double vote system)
- No "informed" opinion
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134445#msg1134445
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2014, 07:08:58 am »
Excuse the double post, I cant modify messages right now without problems.

Now, based on how the community is split in opinion, I don't think a purely democratic or Elitist vote will exist. The current question seems to be should we increase the "elitist" amount of the vote. I say no, as the would add a complete negative (possibly 2) to slightly reduce one negative that has already been reduced significantly. As such, the "more elite" system would only really function if the forums were buzzing.
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134729#msg1134729
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2014, 11:48:26 am »
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134730#msg1134730
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2014, 11:53:49 am »
HEAVY SUGGESTION FOR BRAWL #3: My brother needs a replacement. He's officially quit brawl. :( Or has he already got a replacement?

Sasuk3 is inactive since Round#2. There's nothing to worry about. We are doing his tasks. Peace! :)
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134732#msg1134732
« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2014, 11:58:22 am »
HEAVY SUGGESTION FOR BRAWL #3: My brother needs a replacement. He's officially quit brawl. :( Or has he already got a replacement?

Sasuk3 is inactive since Round#2. There's nothing to worry about. We are doing his tasks. Peace! :)

Ops officially quit Brawl, torb quit everything, I'm not sure if VevoGold ever made a task (since he was last active one day after round 1 was posted). This happens every Brawl. What we'd need would be more replacements. But this means more applications, which is much more deep rooted.
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134735#msg1134735
« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2014, 12:26:18 pm »
HEAVY SUGGESTION FOR BRAWL #3: My brother needs a replacement. He's officially quit brawl. :( Or has he already got a replacement?

Sasuk3 is inactive since Round#2. There's nothing to worry about. We are doing his tasks. Peace! :)

Ops officially quit Brawl, torb quit everything, I'm not sure if VevoGold ever made a task (since he was last active one day after round 1 was posted). This happens every Brawl. What we'd need would be more replacements. But this means more applications, which is much more deep rooted.
TorB left the forum? Or died?
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134737#msg1134737
« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2014, 12:36:28 pm »
HEAVY SUGGESTION FOR BRAWL #3: My brother needs a replacement. He's officially quit brawl. :( Or has he already got a replacement?

Sasuk3 is inactive since Round#2. There's nothing to worry about. We are doing his tasks. Peace! :)

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TorB left the forum? Or died?

He left, posted his Farewell 2 weeks ago iirc
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Re: Forum Brawl #3 - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53498.msg1134758#msg1134758
« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2014, 05:18:38 pm »
HEAVY SUGGESTION FOR BRAWL #3: My brother needs a replacement. He's officially quit brawl. :( Or has he already got a replacement?
That's really not a suggestion. THat's something that happened.

The rules already address people quitting. If there was a pool of substitutes they'd be asked in order. Since the only one is Dm (who I believe has agreed to join The Cuckoo's Nest) then what people may do is ask people if they'd like to join Brawl/a team, and then we can approve it.
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