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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136071#msg1136071
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2014, 01:40:36 pm »
Dear BMs, could we get a timer counter to when the voting closes, please ?

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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136076#msg1136076
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2014, 02:44:21 pm »
Ok, so obviously my description for the two teams decks that won over the other 3 wasn't good enough for team whispers in the dark. Let's compare team whispers in the dark's deck to every other deck shall we?

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Alright, for the last one: 3 gravity pends, 4 earth pends, 2 wind towers, 2 air pendulums. Let's combine the wind towers and air pendalums into "air generation" to keep it simple. 3 gravity  generation EoR,  4 Earth generation EoR, 4 air ER. He/she has 4 earth pendalums for 2 earth cards. He/she has 2 gravity cards for those 2 earth cards' abilties. First 9 of his cards seem kind of like a waste in deck space. How much do you really need to destroy stuff when you have sofree? I wouldn't use this deck myself, because I don't care for destroy+sofree.

WitD against this now. Wings is a good stall card, especially when combined with phase spiders. Then you threw in poison to fit with pretty much the darkness/death theme I've seen from you guys. Good job. But I havnt tried your deck and the weird 3 pendalums from death and aether seems weird to me. I also don't like one thing else fundamentally that I try to avoid when deck building: the number of quantum generation cards for that element is greater then the number of creatures+permanents, the way I can circumvent this for myself to personally use the deck is using mitosis or fractal.

Based on that description WitD wins there.

WitD now vs DDD. I've already gave a deck description for WitD, so let's do an analysis of DDD's deck.
7 straight up aether towers to play 3 TU's, 3 psions. Thats on the rather low side imo, but then the animate weapons and gavels just destroy the quanta balance to me.
WitD wins.

WitD vs Cuckoo's nest.
Cuckoo's nest: 2 improved dusks and steal, rather good defense. I like how they didn't do a 3 improved dusk or 3 improved steal. I prefer that 2|2 split. 10 aether towers means when you draw a lightning rather late game your quanta will be absolutely fine, they actually have an over abundance of quanta with the 4 aether pendalums. This is corrected by fractal on a creature costing 5. Almost always if you have an empty hand when you fractal, which you probably will with such quanta abundance you'll have 5 towers making it very easy to pump out those psions and be a bit rushy about it. Being like what, a 7 turn rush? With 5 thunderbolts is a good deck to me. Great job, not gonna +rep it though cause it's a psiontal.

Cuckoo's win.

WitD vs DL
DL: 6 shards of sacrifice, I'm not against shards at all. I rather welcome them, more cards to use and in a voting competition where most people hate shards I congratulate them for their bravery for submitting a task with shards. Anyway, 12 turns of stall, at least. You can stretch that stall out too because of the healing involved. Sometimes 2 shards of sacrifice can mean 5 turns of stall. 2*3=6 and 5*3=15. I consider the shards to be 12-15 turns of stall. They also used 3 grey nymphs for a platinum grinder and I liked the overall effectiveness of the idea. 12 quanta generating cards is a bit overkill, probably change 1 or 2 into flesh recluses imo. All the cards are cheap. I'd need to check the Quanta Index for it. Your wings deck is more draw prone being 38 cards rather then 30 and has a potential for only 10 turns more of stall. Too much relying on that wings. I like a more consitant deck that will draw most of its cards. In the end, for person preference I choose the not split quanta for better consitancy and more stall cards with a smaller amount of stall vs a CC prone deck that relies on its defense if the opponent is airborne. I don't consider the special spin you win off gold worth anything in opinion because arena is always changing, its lucky that you got those 3 of the potential 497 that -might- have beaten your deck because of bad quanta.

If you have any questions about why I chose one submission over the other continue to question me, I'll always have an answer because I did truly unbiased voting. But do not[/i claim I wasn't unbiased simply because you don't understand the full logic I used to pick each submission. Thank you.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136079#msg1136079
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2014, 03:04:46 pm »
Dear BMs, could we get a timer counter to when the voting closes, please ?
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136081#msg1136081
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2014, 03:07:33 pm »
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Cuckoos nest by far. Then DL.  +repx3 to the cuckoo's person who wrote it, I'd read more about it in an actual free read.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136082#msg1136082
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today is already monday for me, so we have approximently 7 days?
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136084#msg1136084
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2014, 03:15:12 pm »
Finally no more tasks so I can concentrate on giving comments ;)

Spoiler for Boss Task:
Whispers in the Dark
Well, you also disappointed me here ;) Where is actual resume, where is interview. Not good, not good ;) But seriously it was not that bad anyway.

Silver Ferns VOTE!
Quite funny, I like it :)

Cuckoo's Nest
Good work too.

Death Dost Dominate
Quite funny, I liked it too, but maybe Silver Fern's a little bit funnier for me.

Good work all bosses! :)

Spoiler for Artist Task:
Whispers in the Dark
A bit messy to me. Also where is opponent's field?

Cuckoo's Nest VOTE!
Maybe I don't like the whole look completely, but the amount of work you put into it deserves my vote. Bravo!

Death Dost Dominate
That is something I really like. Maybe as someone already said, you should somehow seperate permanents and creatures fields better. But really good work.

Silver Ferns
Hmmm... I'm speechless  :-X

Spoiler for Card Designer Task:
Whispers in the Dark VOTE
Very interesting idea. I really like the description, clever. That is my choice.

Silver Ferns
I'm not sure about this card. It can be too powereful in rainbow decks allowing to use very effective expensive cards too cheaply.

Death Dost Dominate
Not quite original.

Cuckoo's Nest
Maybe I miss something here, I'm not an expert, but why I would like to use it rainbow? And why I would like to use it in monos instead of a dragon? Maybe just to fill it with even more powerful creatures, in addition to dragons. But I'm not sure...

Spoiler for Deckbuilder Task:
Whispers in the Dark
That's ok submission. Good work :)

Cuckoo's Nest
I like it too :) + for proof screens.

Death Dost Dominate VOTE!
I think the deck matches Thor very well. You explained why and I liked it. This idea appeals to me. And + for even more screenies ^^

Silver Ferns
I really likes the way you explained why a given card has been chosen. Yet you did not provide any proof that it beat gold, that's why I have chosen DDD.

Spoiler for Forum Expert Task:
Here all teams (except for Silver Ferns) provided very good suggestions.
My VOTE! goes to Whispers in the Dark only because they wrote more than others :P Really it is hard to me to judge as practically all suggestions appeal to me.

When it comes to Silver Ferns, do I sense some kind of frustration? ;) But I really feel the same way... I like it, but I want to be fair for other teams.

Spoiler for Off-Topicker Task:
Whispers in the Dark
Wow, so scientific, wow. Really good!

Cuckoo's Nest VOTE!
Awesome work Andre! Pleasant to look, pleasent to see, well done! Of course it deserves my vote. You're very talented Andre. And I mean it :) Bravo!
PS. I think you should make such the scientific videos like that on your YouTube channel ;)

Death Dost Dominate
Very good work here too. Clever picks and explanations.

Silver Ferns
Nice, really nice, a lot of effort put here too. Very good work. Actually it would get my vote if Andre did not put a little more effort, in my opinion, in making video and drawings.

Spoiler for Writer Task:
All stories were very good. Hard to choose, but Silver Ferns gets my VOTE! just because it makes me laugh :)

Good job all writers!

Spoiler for Bonus Task:
Whispers in the Dark
Nice song. Good work but just Nest's song appeals more to me... It's just less... dark ;)

Cuckoo's Nest VOTE!
Have I already said you're talented Andre? No? You're talended. Good work :) (Did you do that all by yourself or was it collective work?)

Death Dost Dominate
Also good work, but just personally I prefer Nest's song.

I want to add, thank you Brawlmasters for this Brawl. They did a great job making that! They deserve +Rep from all of us!

You were all awesome Brawlers. Thanks you all and also special thanks for my Team. Really good job mates!. It was pleasure to work with you all. I hope I did not disappoint you, I tried to be a good boss ;)

I hope to see you all in next Brawl! (I only hope EtG and this awesome community/forum will still exist next year...)
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136090#msg1136090
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2014, 03:43:50 pm »
Good work :) (Did you do that all by yourself or was it collective work?)

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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136091#msg1136091
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2014, 03:44:29 pm »
You can vote for more then one team.. and did you not think any of our teams tasks were the best? Lol. I loved our teams tasks but your vote was based on effort. At least thats what it seems to me.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136148#msg1136148
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2014, 11:58:24 pm »
boss:witd and dl-The others your fired
artist:cuckoos -No contest
cd:witd-I like the scroll too but in a 30 cards deck i think its too much of the same card
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136151#msg1136151
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2014, 12:35:56 am »
Well here goes for the last time. I am fairly tired so don't expect huge paragraphs (except CDs, cos for some reason writing about card ideas is easier)

Spoiler for Bossmen (and Annele):
Vote - Silver Ferns

SF - Very funny and well written. Good job with the mimic ability thing, it was funny but not annoying, which could easily have happened.

CN - Meh, your interview wasn't as good as others. It just was as funny or otherwise entertaining. Not to say it was bad, just not as good as the winner.

DL - "I'm fairly confident that DL are gonna go with crusader."(eljoemo). 0 points for originality. The whole interview seems kinda forced and (forgive my wording here) a bit cheesy. Yeah, I'm not a fan.

DDD - You certainly made a convincing resume. But first, I had to read everything and piece together the creature (Graviton Salvager, I think). It wasn't very clear on that one. Secondly, it doesn't really account for much. I mean, there isn't much substance to the whole thing.

Spoiler for Arteests!:
Vote - Cuckoo's Nest

DL - This just looks pretty much the same as at current TBH. Apart from a few things moving about, not much has changed.

CN - This should be fairly obvious. The amount of work you put in, combined with the quality of it is just awesome. This is one of the few submission that would genuinely improve the game's look and interface.

DDD - That's a nice rearrangement, I probably would put the hand at the bottom as well, and showing the quanta caps is good. But it can't compare to CN's I'm afraid.

SF - ... Uhm ... *thinks* ... Yeah.

Spoiler for Designers of Cards!:
Vote - Divine Light

SF - This would be practically useless in a mono. It costs too much to warrant replacing a card cost and using a nova would just ruin your draw chances. I can think maybe rainbows with high cost cards (like a dragonbow) but that's about it. Other than that, Sky Blitz and Fractal abuse (as already said) don't really help. It's weird, it seems to have few uses but be OP with them anyway. Hmmm...

DDD - I can't disagree with your notes enough here. Other cards should be cards that belong to every element and yet no element at the same time. Card idea that are intentionally "plain and simple and generic" seem stupid in my eyes (except vanilla creatures, cos we need those). Aside from that, your upped and unupped are literally opposites of each other, which is another thing which seems stupid to me. And then you just put in a weaker version of Blessing for the upped, which once again, is not a good idea. Very disappointed here, I did consider DDD to be my biggest rivals in the CD scheme of things.

CN - Genuine quote from our Pad "I was thinking a creature with ~10-12 random cost and about the same attack with the ability "Lose +1|+0 for each type of quanta used to summon this creature". So you can summon it with a nova but it'll be weak or you can summon it for a higher cost in a mono/duo and it'll be strong."(eljoemo)
"That sounds good and balanced. Totally not original, though."(Joey). It would seem that "Totally not original" are indeed the words. But I guess great minds think alike :P

DL - Target Scroll with Scroll, wut? Yeah, it has its uses, and is a decent card. But, to be honest, I'm voting this one because it's the best of my options. It didn't really blow me away with amazingness but it was good enough to get you the vote.

Spoiler for Builders of Decks!:
Vote - Death Dost Dominate

DL - Deadly Poison, Arsenic and SoSac. How original.

CN - Psion and Fractal. How original. (Okay, you have that darkness splash but it's still just a Psiontal variant)

DDD - Gavel, Animate Weapon and Psion. Wait, that is original! An original deck which works and fits the theme, what more can I say.

SF - 8 weapons, 5 animate weapons. You mad? But yeah, it doesn't seem very succesful to me (and neither to you apparently, going by those winrates). But good job on fitting the source material.

Spoiler for Experts of Forums:
Vote - Cickoo's Nest???

CN - I like your suggestions, especially the play-through tutorial. Wish I had that when I was a newbie. And gimme dem batches. Sweet, sweet Kong levels.

DL - This feels abusable. Is this abusable? I'm gonna assume it's abusable until someone tells me it's not abusable.

SF - Yeeeeaaaaaaahhh... no.

DDD - This would annoy me. And potentially newbies. Imagine losing 3 games then being told "You really need help, get some here."

Spoiler for Topickers of Offs?!?! Why not?:
Vote - Silver Ferns

DL - SKOOOO!!!!!!! I had such high expectations!!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!? *sobs uncontrollably*

CN - This does make sense (kinda) and was entertaining but the whole dragon-y bit confused me (it was pretty off-topic). But a very good video. I was going to give you the vote straight away and not even read the rest, but I did and you came a very close second.

DDD - I don't know what it is about it, but this just feels... lame (for want of a better world). It just isn't as good as the rest, and I genuinely don't know why.

SF - It was just the best. Funny, factual, fertacular? The science is history is so wrong and yet I can't help but this that this is what happens. Cannot un-read!

Spoiler for Young (or Old) Shakespeares:
Vote - Cuckoo's Nest

Everyone did great here, picking the winner was hard. Cuckoo's had the nice "Boxing Commentary" going on and was genuinely entertaining. The rest were all great I just prefer the Cuckoo's

Not WitD: "Of course, this isn't simply glass; it is a material of such tensile strength that the particle has no effect outside of the bottle." You never went onto explaining how you knew it was a material of "such tensile strength" if you know it's a material of a high tensile strength why can't you tell me exactly how much tensile strength it has? This hard science seems like something I would come up with, and thus is faulty. (I'm really bad at hard science. :P)

Seriously, I wrote nearly 500 words of the least scientific stuff ever based of a couple of sentences of notes, trying to justify how black holes could drain quanta and heal you, and you don't give us the vote because I didn't explain the goddamned glass bottle. There are multiple reasons why you wouldn't vote my explanation, lack of detail describing glass bottles was not one I expected. Call it Refined Diamond formed into a Hexadine arrangement at a subatomic level for all I care.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136153#msg1136153
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2014, 12:46:42 am »
Sorry eljoemo, I have very little knowledge of science and I may have kinda done that task at the last minute.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 6 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54503.msg1136154#msg1136154
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2014, 01:14:23 am »
Im sorry eljoe. I'll relook at it if it really upsets you. I do admit I dont agree with my votes myself on that task but Idk know how to vote on something Im next to clueless about. My social studies teacher is a skeptic so I went with what I thought he'd say. Just calm down anyway, and if you guys approach me nicely Ill be a lot less strong headed to change my vote. Recently I've been angered by people being harsh towards me, so if you want me to change my vote or relook at your submission you can't seriously think I'm gonna be reading your submission over again in a good state of mind. But I'll try my best to not let your "goddamned" cross my mind when I relook out of terms of fairness and being unbiased.

Anyway, the FE task for DL is as written on there cause of some typos with the reward abuseable. So I would just advise you to look for the correct rewards as a post of mine on page 2 I think. Maybe have 2 tabs open and when you get to the 2nd paragraph look towards the post. Fill in the HP, cards drawn, upped cards or not, and number of marks with lvls already known for rewards in the game like FGs. Just remember if you lose that's almost the same amount as winning. Usually the amount of winning is a bit better then losing, so in that aspect I dont believe it to be abuseable at all and doesnt make it so zanz has to keep putting in different lvls, which is why I think 1.4 will be good making it more community based so less work for him, but it offers so much harder to read the metagame.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2014, 01:32:22 am by CrockettRocket »
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