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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135390#msg1135390
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2014, 03:19:00 am »
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It looks like both the CN and SF card design cards have a "when cast" triggered ability. Consider it as one time passive ability that triggers immediately when cast. Similar to "when it enter's play" triggered abilities.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135392#msg1135392
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2014, 03:34:59 am »
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It looks like both the CN and SF card design cards have a "when cast" triggered ability. Consider it as one time passive ability that triggers immediately when cast. Similar to "when it enter's play" triggered abilities.

Thinking about it, that makes more sense for the CN card. Or at least, it's one way of going about it. Having it swap out instantly upon summoning instead of when triggered. As for SF, I was assuming the "Cautious" part (cloaking effect) was active non-triggered and that the part about cost reductions was Passive. But I'm not sure if I'm right or not.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135393#msg1135393
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2014, 03:58:24 am »
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It looks like both the CN and SF card design cards have a "when cast" triggered ability. Consider it as one time passive ability that triggers immediately when cast. Similar to "when it enter's play" triggered abilities.

Thinking about it, that makes more sense for the CN card. Or at least, it's one way of going about it. Having it swap out instantly upon summoning instead of when triggered. As for SF, I was assuming the "Cautious" part (cloaking effect) was active non-triggered and that the part about cost reductions was Passive. But I'm not sure if I'm right or not.
For the SF card, I would have assumed Cautious as a triggered ability creating a 1 turn status effect. The cost reduction is either Passive or non triggered Active.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135394#msg1135394
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2014, 04:16:42 am »
I usually go by the rule, If the skill has a name and a cost (or a 0 to show no cost), it's active triggered (like burrow or growth). If the skill has a name but no mentioned cost, it's active non-triggered (like phoenix, venom or scavenger). If a skill has no name and no mentioned cost, it's passive (like devourer or obsession).

Applying this to the SF card gives "Cautious" to be an active non-triggered. It activates whenever a card is played (such as scavenger activates when death effects). It also gives the Cost reduction half to be passive, since a card cannot have 2 active abilities. We really should get someone from SF, preferably their CD to check this.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135399#msg1135399
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2014, 06:14:23 am »
I usually go by the rule, If the skill has a name and a cost (or a 0 to show no cost), it's active triggered (like burrow or growth). If the skill has a name but no mentioned cost, it's active non-triggered (like phoenix, venom or scavenger). If a skill has no name and no mentioned cost, it's passive (like devourer or obsession).

Wait. You are using terminology weirdly. Triggered/Activated describes how the ability works. Active/Passive describes the limitation creatures have and how lobotomizing effects(including teaching effects like Butterfly Effect) interact with the ability.
Scavenger is a triggered ability (when the game event [death trigger] occurs, it triggers). Some active abilities are triggered abilities and some passive abilities are triggered abilities.
Burrow is an activated ability (it happens when the player activates it with a mouse click) [All activated abilities are active abilities]

The no name = passive ability is not a good assumption if my years of reading CIA threads is any evidence. I prefer "non-activated abilities are active abilities unless there is already an active ability or the author says otherwise."

While the CD should confirm what is the case, based on the phrasing it is certainly a Triggered ability(it has a finite duration and no ":") and it is either an effect of casting(which would not remain as an active/passive ability) or it is an active/passive ability that triggers immediately.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135405#msg1135405
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2014, 07:14:14 am »
Just gonna intervene and say that eljoemo got our card correctly in the first time. The ability is 0 cost active (we were thinking of the wording in virus, so you need to click it to activate an hence would have to be loboable iirc) and it goes back to your deck (on the exact place of where the pulled card was, for the purposes of RT and stuff. The pulled card enters play immediatly without paying it's cost. So it is also a way of playig cards you don't have the quanta for. Given that Ops left very early a when cast substitution would also be a good fit. The fact of this not being "when cast" is the main reason that the only difference between upped and unnuped is Cc resistance

A comment about our deck. While there's nothing saying what should be prioritized (slight lack of foresight from the BMs) the reaaon it works resembles the birthday paradox. You are bound to get 2 or 3 quanta pairs right during a match and most of the combinations are good enough to give you an edge.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135407#msg1135407
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2014, 07:34:44 am »
@eljoemo: Don't worry, I won't hurt you or something. It just seems we have a completely different opinion about what is tl;dr and it isn't. Good luck about reading all Forum Expert submissions this round and congratz for reading all the Writer tasks. Also, thank you for voting for CN's tool at SF Versus CN challenge; for a moment, I thought you would found CN's tool tl;dr and you would vote for my tool instead (and CN's clearly deserved that one). :P

About BD-CD, as far as my understanding of our card goes, Cautious is a single passive ability (thus non-lobotomizable) which does two things; making the cost of any played creatures (even generated ones) reduced by one per Annele on field (but not less than 1 :underworld) and cloaking every Annele for 1 turn when a card is played (but only Anneles, not other creatures because that would be clearly OP).
Annele likes darkness a lot (it is actually her element) so comes the :life :darkness duo. Moreover, :darkness has some very interesting creatures but are quite expensive for what they do, making them a very fair example of Nel's power. For example, a 4|3 Vampire for 5 :darkness is a little "meh", but reducing its cost to 1 :darkness by having 4 Anneles on the field makes it super awesome imho. The power of Annele's ability is balanced with her high cost.

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BOSS: Silver Ferns & Cucko's Nest (I like them for the same reason everyone else dislike them; they use all 12 elements)

ARTIST: Death Dost Dominate & Divine Light (just personal taste, nothing more)

CD & DB: Silver Ferns & Cucko's Nest (they seemed to have the best combination of originality and balance)

FORUM EXPERT: Whispers in the Dark & Divine Light (honorable mention to everyone else)

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WRITER: Cucko's Nest & Death Dost Dominate (I kinda feel these two tasks beat the rest with their simplicity, but honorable mention to everyone else no matter what!) :D
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135420#msg1135420
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2014, 01:39:42 pm »
Just gonna intervene and say that eljoemo got our card correctly in the first time. The ability is 0 cost active (we were thinking of the wording in virus, so you need to click it to activate an hence would have to be loboable iirc) and it goes back to your deck (on the exact place of where the pulled card was, for the purposes of RT and stuff.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135492#msg1135492
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 01:29:31 pm »
Boss Task: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2. Devine Light,
Artist Task: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2.Whispers in the dark ,
Carddesigner Task / Deck Builder Task: 1. Devine Light, 2.Death Dost Dominate,
Forum Expert Task: 1. Whispers in the Dark, 2. Silver Ferns,
Off-Topicker Task: 1. Silver Ferns, 2. Devine Light
Writer Task:: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2. Cuckoo's Nest,  I am really impressed of all this submissions. The first two are so simple that they are just great. I really enojoyed the read.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135512#msg1135512
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 03:47:10 pm »
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Boss Task: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2. Devine Light, 3. Whispers in the Dark.
Artist Task: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2. Cuckoo's Nest, 3. Whispers in the Dark.
Carddesigner Task / Deck Builder Task: 1. Devine Light, 2. Silver Ferns, 3. Death Dost Dominate
Forum Expert Task: 1. Whispers in the Dark, 2. Silver Ferns, 3. Cuckoo's Nest.
Off-Topicker Task: 1. Silver Ferns, 2. Devine Light 3. Cuckoo's Nest.
Writer Task:: 1. Death Dost Dominate, 2. Cuckoo's Nest, 3. all other teams. I am really impressed of all this submissions. The first two are so simple that they are just great. I really enojoyed the read.

Well, I don't want to dissapoint you, but you can only vote for TWO submissions per category. It would be much appreciated if you could fully clarify your votes. Right now, I am not very sure what is your exact preference.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135518#msg1135518
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 04:44:10 pm »
We will presume that Corri was "ranking" submissions, and take the first two as his votes.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 5 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54441.msg1135587#msg1135587
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2014, 09:42:28 am »
Boss: Whispers in the Dark. Nice deck. Didn't test it, but I think it works against Ai3.

Artist: Death Dost Dominate. Nice drawing!

Card Designer / Deckbuilder: Silver Ferns. I just like the deck more than the other.

Off-Topicker: Divine Light. Well done!

Writer: Death Dost Dominate. Very nice. I laughed  :D

 

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