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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133284#msg1133284
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2014, 08:25:08 pm »
Zso_Zso has nothing to apologise for. Every single person votes according to his/her way of view, thus a vote will always be biased. Personal opinion is always biased and there's nothing greatly wrong with that (though I would love seeing more people trying to fight against their bias and favoring a more objective view).

Moreover, many of us don't hesistate to vote our team even if we don't really believe our team's submissions are the best ones.

We don't participate at Forum Brawl in order to win and we shouldn't care about votes. We do it for fun and awesomeness. We have seen many great submissions being axed mercilessly during the voting proccess of the current and previous Brawls as well as witnessing poor submissions making it on top.

However, even the poorest Brawl submission is awesome in its own way and that's one of F.Brawl's most awesome aspects! ;D

If we wish unbiased voting we wish a perfection we can only partially achieve by doing a couple of changes at the voting system which I may bother mentioning at the end of FBrawl in the appropriate thread, but not here, not now...

So, stop caring about silly stuff and have fun!!! :D
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133285#msg1133285
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2014, 08:34:23 pm »
It's my responsibility as Brawlmaster to ensure that fun by making rules and decisions that support fairness to further that fun. The current voting system is designed to minimize bias by making teams voting for themselves essentially nixing each other. While some minor biases may exist, voting for a team purely for the team name, especially when not a member of the team, is appalling to me. It's unsportsmanly, it's unintelligent, and while there are currently no rules against it, I am very disappointed by it. It's like voting Republican or Democrat rather than for a person. This is supposed to be fun, and biased voting with no consideration for the actual tasks is unfair and unfun.

Krzy, I'm not saying you and your team mates can't wish to have a connection to the the element light. I'm saying your Brawl team has no connection to the Light trials, Light team in war, nor Light in guilds if guilds were still active. Because ONLY ONE master volunteered for Brawl, I cut the connection for at least this Brawl, hence why team names are more important than elements.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133286#msg1133286
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2014, 08:46:54 pm »
I agree with Nae. I don't want anyone to vote just because of what team it is, disregarding the tasks and work done.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133288#msg1133288
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2014, 09:18:51 pm »
I agree with Nae. I don't want anyone to vote just because of what team it is, disregarding the tasks and work done.

Me too, I just misunderstood what Nae had had in mind.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133289#msg1133289
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2014, 09:34:01 pm »
I agree with Nae. I don't want anyone to vote just because of what team it is, disregarding the tasks and work done.

 Unfortunately, this is not up to us, not up to you, not up to the Brawlmasters. It is up to each individual. Even the most biased vote can be cleverly cloaked under a few neat phrases explaining that decision.
 But we're off-topic. I am going to discuss about voting system in the appropriate thread, follow me there if you wish.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133292#msg1133292
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2014, 09:41:02 pm »
I will not follow you, I simply wanted to say that voting for us just beacause we are light and not because we did a great job is actually not very fun in my opinion. While I cannot say for sure that this is what Zso did, I just wanted to express my opinion on this.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133297#msg1133297
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2014, 10:01:42 pm »
(...)While I cannot say for sure that this is what Zso did (...)

No-one but Zso can, and it would be immensely rich to have some feedback along with his vote. This goes for everybody, the more you express your likes and dislikes, the better for all us brawlers.
As our fellow from Silver Ferns wrote: every opinion is biased, from its very conception. It's up to the voters to base their choices on something meaningful for us. But most importantly...

(...) stop caring about silly stuff and have fun!!! :D
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133324#msg1133324
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2014, 01:58:57 am »
Voting is closed.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133342#msg1133342
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2014, 03:39:30 am »
Round 2 Results

Artist/Offtopic
1. Cuckoo's Nest
2. Divine Light Naesala's Pick 1/2 points due to late submission!Chapuz's Pick
3. Silver Ferns
4. Whispers in the Dark
No submission: Death Dost Dominate

Boss/Forum Expert
1. Cuckoo's Nest TIED WITH
Also 1. Death Dost Dominate Chapuz's Pick
3. Silver Ferns Naesala's Pick
4. Divine Light
5. Whispers in the Dark

Card Designer
1. Whispers in the Dark Naesala's Pick
2. Silver Ferns
3. Death Dost Dominate TIED WITH
Also 3. Divine Light Chapuz's Pick
5.Cuckoo's Nest

Deckbuilder
1. Whispers in the Dark TIED WITH Naesala's PickChapuz's Pick
Also 1. Divine Light
3. Death Dost Dominate
4. Cuckoo's Nest
5. Silver Ferns

Writer
1. Cuckoo's NestChapuz's Pick
2. Divine Light
3. Silver Ferns
4. Whispers in the Dark Naesala's Pick
No submission: Death Dost Dominate
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133406#msg1133406
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2014, 06:43:17 pm »
I guess simple and straight to the point wasn't the way to go, fair enough.  It's not what I usually do but wanted to give it a try. Whispers's card was definitely amazing.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133419#msg1133419
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2014, 08:39:23 pm »
I guess simple and straight to the point wasn't the way to go, fair enough.  It's not what I usually do but wanted to give it a try. Whispers's card was definitely amazing.

Simple and straight to the point is good. I think there is something else about your submission that you are overlooking.
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Re: Brawl #3 - Round 2 voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54247.msg1133437#msg1133437
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2014, 11:37:46 pm »
Whispers's card was definitely amazing.

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