Brawl #2 Suggestions and Feedback

[glennfoo]

I am the only one from team fire in fire guild. since the master in the first place is chosen as the boss.

acsabi is in team water although he is from fire guild
anarook is from team darkness although he is from fire guild.
and no one else in my guild joins brawl

and I specifically ask my members in my guild to not vote based on the element, or vote for members of the guild that are participating.
my guild members can confirm it, or the guildmaster themselves can confirm it, since I posted in the thread and they have access to it, meaning they can prove that I am not encouraging it.

also, I just like team based on elements, because in a way it helps me get involved. But that is just my personal reason. Just like war, participants do not have the choice when master bids higher on them, so same like brawl. my team members other than the master(me), none actually are known to have affinity to fire, but more towards other element. arthanasios towards life, kakerlake towards earth, etc etc..

my team being team fire, because it just happen that I do not agree with some of the names my teammates suggested. in fact, because of my typo, my team in private chat is actually called Team Fire Lol
And I find it funny, and never bother deleting the lol in the private chat XD 

I actually agree with oldtree about tying something tangible to brawl. but I understand the concern of people voting for their favourite element, but due to all the task so far, my team though being team fire has not really make any card related to fire....  and I like some submissions from round 1 till now that tries to relate to their team element. like my comic, the setting is in volcano. and team water snapshot is done near a water park, or sea or.. well water theme is there.

forgive me if I derp hard in mathematics,
but so far, approximately 50 people have voted so far, and each team having 6 members counting that all of them voted means that... minimum of 36 people voted?
that creates an extra 14 people, plus expert plus some occasional visitor, since I saw one or 2 new member posted, that means they vote, but surely not every single round..  so that means maybe say 15+ people not participating in brawl voted.. how far can voting for element affinity end up? it can be seen marsu, jen-i, and maybe others did actually make the effort to read the submissions.

I am not saying all those claims that "people are voting for favourite element" is void, but seriously, look at the number of voters? pretty sure they are all at least senior member or people who are actually active and involved in the forum. we are not talking about 100 voters or something, with mass newbie zerg rush. i mean, extra 15 voters plus all the brawl participants plus expert votes.. making it around 50 total voters does not exactly.... how should I say it

that is just my point of view. Many people may be thinking differently.  And I know I am creating assumptions there. A lot of it. So do not go attacking me with it.
That is just my view

EDIT : and trust me, if not because of brawl, I have never attempted to write a lyrics, make a video, or involved in card designing my whole life, not to mention the last time I actually write a story, comic or drama script is during.. secondary school!!!! all my team members know it. But knowing I am the boss of team  push me a lot, and I know I harrassed my teammates a lot with pm, feedback and blah blah blah.. and i told them to bear with me for a few more hours this round lol.

and that is me, with a "strong affinity to fire".. how many people have the passion like me and will  thus blindly vote for element. If I am not participating in future, even I know I will vote fairly, because of the effort put there

[OldTrees]

forgive me if I derp hard in mathematics,
but so far, approximately 50 people have voted so far, and each team having 6 members counting that all of them voted means that... minimum of 36 people voted?
that creates an extra 14 people, plus expert plus some occasional visitor, since I saw one or 2 new member posted, that means they vote, but surely not every single round..  so that means maybe say 15+ people not participating in brawl voted.. how far can voting for element affinity end up? it can be seen marsu, jen-i, and maybe others did actually make the effort to read the submissions.

I am not saying all those claims that "people are voting for favorite element" is void, but seriously, look at the number of voters? pretty sure they are all at least senior member or people who are actually active and involved in the forum. we are not talking about 100 voters or something, with mass newbie zerg rush. i mean, extra 15 voters plus all the brawl participants plus expert votes.. making it around 50 total voters does not exactly.... how should I say it

Most of the opposition to allowing temptation to merely vote for a favorite element comes from Merit Purists. Merit Purists prefer the outcome be as close a reflection of skill (including the skill to adapt to challenges) as possible.

However let us take that math:
I will assume a random distribution and give guesses at certain ratios.
15 extra voters
10 would be tempted to have their vote influenced by their favorite element
5 are tempted to have their vote influenced by their favorite element
2 actually have their vote influenced
So from a practical sense, this is to small an influence to matter unless brawl grows*.
However the practical sense is not the only rational sense.

*The worst way it could grow is my second statement to guilds.

[andretimpa]

Choosing a team name with a theme and using this theme for challenges (which were not that popular this Brawl) or even on some of the tasks sounds much better to me.

I would also like to see this event grow. 15 people voting, outside the people involved is very little, specially if we take into account that Brawlers can still just use one of their votes and vote just for their team, so these 15 are actually the more relevant part of the votes.

[Anarook]

anarook is from team darkness although he is from fire guild.

I'm from water brah

[Zso_Zso]

forgive me if I derp hard in mathematics,
but so far, approximately 50 people have voted so far, and each team having 6 members counting that all of them voted means that... minimum of 36 people voted?
that creates an extra 14 people, plus expert plus some occasional visitor, since I saw one or 2 new member posted, that means they vote, but surely not every single round..  so that means maybe say 15+ people not participating in brawl voted.. how far can voting for element affinity end up? it can be seen marsu, jen-i, and maybe others did actually make the effort to read the submissions.

A minor correction: there are 7 members in a team (including the boss), so total participants: 6x7=42. And 50 votes isn't the typical count, more like the maximum seen. Typical counts are around mid 40s, like 44. And everybody has 2 votes to cast, so the participants could cast 84 total votes.

So the low vote numbers are rather sad... 

[glennfoo]

I thought it is written there total members voted? not total votes? then oh ya it is 42 minimum :0

still, I hope this brawl gets as prestigeous and popular as war itself, and 12 teams finally able to participate. just a wish of mine though

anarook is from team darkness although he is from fire guild.

I'm from water brah

I derped, sorry

[Fippe94]

Yes it is total members voted, not total votes. However, a quick calculation shows that not many people actually voted twice...

[Onizuka]

I voted once because I am not a part of brawl and see no need to elect a 2nd place.

[andretimpa]

From round 5 results:

38/38 people voted once for the bonus task
33/48 people voted once for CD
32/45 people voted once for the combo task
36/50 people voted once for deckbuilder
34/44 people voted once for OT
31/45 voted once for writer

My conclusion from this is that most Brawlers (myself included) are voting only for their teams.

[Pella]

Most of the opposition to allowing temptation to merely vote for a favorite element comes from Merit Purists. Merit Purists prefer the outcome be as close a reflection of skill (including the skill to adapt to challenges) as possible.

This makes it sound like Merit Purists (for example, me) are some radical fringe group whose ideas are based in anything other than reality.

However let us take that math:
I will assume a random distribution and give guesses at certain ratios.
15 extra voters
10 would be tempted to have their vote influenced by their favorite element
5 are tempted to have their vote influenced by their favorite element
2 actually have their vote influenced
So from a practical sense, this is to small an influence to matter unless brawl grows*.
However the practical sense is not the only rational sense.

*The worst way it could grow is my second statement to guilds.

This makes it sound like the idea of voting for a favourite element is something that, in general, people don't do.  I'm still not convinced this is the case.

[Fippe94]

My conclusion from this is that most Brawlers (myself included) are voting only for their teams.

That's lame in my opininon. I have always voted 1 vote for my team and 1 vote for the team (beside ours) that I think was best. If everyone just votes for themselves and no second votes, then we might just as well forbid participants from voting next Brawl, or keep it to panel voting only.

[Jen-i]

I don't know if I'm in any way typical - but I don't have a favourite element by which to be influenced. I took the time to read each post and decided based on my own opinion who best accomplished the task each round. On occasion I voted only once - in large part because I felt one submission was superior to the others and wanted to reward them, I'd have given them two points and second place one point if that had been an option (although not an option I'd recommend). In general I voted for for two submissions.

I have to say I'm impressed by the result of all of your hard work - well done to each Brawl Team, regardless of the results.