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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg397826#msg397826
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 11:48:16 am »
This isn't I've GotP Time, although based on it. It's Ghostal. :)
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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg397981#msg397981
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 05:50:21 pm »
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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg398105#msg398105
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 10:14:47 pm »
lol Hermes it beatable only if u get FAST hourglasses xD
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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg398119#msg398119
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 10:37:07 pm »
I haven't tried this deck, but I have tried 10 men's gotp time deck, and it's the only false god deck I've tried that has a higher win percentage than mine.  (At least I'm assuming it's higher than mine; I never checked my win % for gotp time, but at a rough estimate, gotp time is in the neighbourhood of what polari is claiming for this deck, 2/3 win)  I still play mine though because it's more fun, even if its win rate is more like 50% :)  GotP time is boring, lol.  This deck looks simpler, and is probably easier to learn the strategy for newer players than gotp time.  Also, you won't ever regret upgrading any of the cards in this deck, even if you don't like it for some reason.

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg398206#msg398206
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2011, 01:05:38 am »
I haven't tried this deck, but I have tried 10 men's gotp time deck, and it's the only false god deck I've tried that has a higher win percentage than mine.  (At least I'm assuming it's higher than mine; I never checked my win % for gotp time, but at a rough estimate, gotp time is in the neighbourhood of what polari is claiming for this deck, 2/3 win)  I still play mine though because it's more fun, even if its win rate is more like 50% :)  GotP time is boring, lol.  This deck looks simpler, and is probably easier to learn the strategy for newer players than gotp time.  Also, you won't ever regret upgrading any of the cards in this deck, even if you don't like it for some reason.
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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399014#msg399014
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2011, 10:56:17 am »
Either I'm REALLY unlucky (which I admittedly was in a lot of games) or you are totally underestimating the effects of feral bond to put Ferox, Fire Queen and Elidinis to the easy FG.
In 25 games I ran 7 times into them (5 of them vs Elidnis (in 25 games WTF?)) and I only won 2 of those 7 (vs Elidnis). In all the others I could see the loss practically in the beginning.
One Eternity vs two firefly queens is just hopeless and once Fire Queen has 3 or 4 feral bonds you are done (this applies to the other two as well since they have a high creature output (especially Ferox)).
The two times I managed to beat Elidnis was when he only drew one or two feral bonds respectively.

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399016#msg399016
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2011, 11:03:05 am »
Either I'm REALLY unlucky (which I admittedly was in a lot of games) or you are totally underestimating the effects of feral bond to put Ferox, Fire Queen and Elidinis to the easy FG.
In 25 games I ran 7 times into them (5 of them vs Elidnis (in 25 games WTF?)) and I only won 2 of those 7 (vs Elidnis). In all the others I could see the loss practically in the beginning.
One Eternity vs two firefly queens is just hopeless and once Fire Queen has 3 or 4 feral bonds you are done (this applies to the other two as well since they have a high creature output (especially Ferox)).
The two times I managed to beat Elidnis was when he only drew one or two feral bonds respectively.
10 men  has a 100% win-rate vs Elidnis after 16 games (15 EM's)

You were unlucky, or you used the wrong strategy. (ask 10men for his strategy, I haven't used the upped one much)

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399036#msg399036
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2011, 11:56:14 am »
10 men's and my combined stats vs feral bond gods are 19-0 vs Elidnis, 17-1 vs Ferox and 20-8 vs Fire Queen so you're probably doing something wrong. For starters, this -

once Fire Queen has 3 or 4 feral bonds you are done (this applies to the other two as well since they have a high creature output (especially Ferox)).
- is just false. 4 bonds with full creature slots heal 92 damage a turn. FQ has no shields and your maximum damage output is 166 damage a turn, usually 139, 148 or 157 in practice. This isn't just theorycrafting, I've punched through multiple bonds before. My guess is that you're not maximizing your fractals.

Elidnis and Ferox are definitely easy, but I have no idea what's going on vs FQ between us. I'm 10-0 in that matchup, 10 men is 10-8. I can see losing to her the way 10 men described so I'm pretty sure going undefeated has been a freak occurrence, but that's still a big discrepancy to chalk up to luck. I don't think there's even anything out of ordinary I've been doing in that matchup. Rewind anything whenever possible, drop early ghosts if you can keep them alive, maximize your fractals, in the endgame rewind your own ghosts to keep them alive vs Eagle's Eye.

edit - added some of this stuff to the OP

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399341#msg399341
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2011, 09:18:24 pm »
Bond gods really aren't that hard. Draw like hell, spam as many ghosts as you possibly can, and rewind their most expensive creature or one they don't have quanta to play to draw/quanta lock.

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399497#msg399497
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2011, 02:49:18 am »
Either I'm REALLY unlucky (which I admittedly was in a lot of games) or you are totally underestimating the effects of feral bond to put Ferox, Fire Queen and Elidinis to the easy FG.
In 25 games I ran 7 times into them (5 of them vs Elidnis (in 25 games WTF?)) and I only won 2 of those 7 (vs Elidnis). In all the others I could see the loss practically in the beginning.
One Eternity vs two firefly queens is just hopeless and once Fire Queen has 3 or 4 feral bonds you are done (this applies to the other two as well since they have a high creature output (especially Ferox)).
The two times I managed to beat Elidnis was when he only drew one or two feral bonds respectively.
early eternity is the key to these gods. and also, are you using fully upped deck? if partially upped then you'll be a lot slower in both drawing ability and damage.

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg399741#msg399741
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2011, 05:29:54 pm »
Fully upped

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Re: Upped Fast-Draw False God Killer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30623.msg404571#msg404571
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2011, 08:10:47 am »
Any tips on Morte? I lose most of the time so I'm obviously doing something wrong. Morte has Bonewall which blocks usually 7+ Ghosts (+Eternity) so first Fractal is pretty much "wasted" to Bonewall. I say wasted because after the Ghostbomb he usually plays 2-3 Plagues and Eternity can only save so much. Plague combined with Retrovirus and I lose almost all my Ghosts from the first Fractal. If he plays another Bonewall right after, it gains like 11-12 charges and it's very hard to punch through due to Retroviruses and Plagues. Help would be appreciated, it's obviously a great deck.

 

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