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Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471643#msg471643
« on: March 17, 2012, 09:22:06 am »
The name says it all and its very self explanatory.
 Sick of people healing themselves?
Bide some time and save for a single hit KO in the final round.

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-This deck need 1 Fahrenheit, but only to be used at the last moment.
-If you have Fahrenheit the Shards are not really needed.
-Take some hits and bide your time, drop those Sundials same time you drop that light pillar.

Have Fun
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471717#msg471717
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 04:20:56 pm »
Quote from: Junkworks on March 17, 2012, 09:22:06 am
The name says it all and its very self explanatory.
 Sick of people healing themselves?
Bide some time and save for a single hit KO in the final round.

Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
Deck import code : [Select]
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lm 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 6ru 6ru 8ps


TIPS
-This deck need 1 Fahrenheit, but only to be used at the last moment.
-If you have Fahrenheit the Shards are not really needed.
-Take some hits and bide your time, drop those Sundials same time you drop that light pillar.

Have Fun
Junkworks
What exact advantage does this have over a deck like fire lance sudden killer? I don't know about any one else, but this just seems like a weaker version.
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471790#msg471790
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 09:05:14 pm »
Why not just use fire lance sudden killer like omegareaper7 said? What's with the point of the lone sanctuary? What are the two shards even used for?
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471798#msg471798
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2012, 09:17:57 pm »
Quote from: furballdn on March 17, 2012, 09:05:14 pm
Why not just use fire lance sudden killer like omegareaper7 said? What's with the point of the lone sanctuary? What are the two shards even used for?
^this

you dont even say what shards you are using
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471914#msg471914
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 05:33:19 am »
Being new to elements I was unaware there was a Fire Lance Sudden Death deck.
Also I didn't realise the shards would not show up, they are Shards of Void which decrease max hp by 2 (3 if mark of :darkness) each turn. After seeing the other deck, Dimensional Shields would synergy better with the Void Shards.
The idea of using Reflective Shield then self Fire Bolting is nice.

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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471917#msg471917
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2012, 06:11:26 am »
SoVs are completely unnecessary. The whole point of this deck is to kill of an opponent in one turn. If you're using SoV to take down health, you are better off using fahrenheit, or even ash eaters.
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471920#msg471920
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2012, 06:15:38 am »
The max health gets affected. Its not 98/100, it becomes 98/98. And you can't heal past your max HP.
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471925#msg471925
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 06:29:57 am »
What's the point? Very rarely will you actually find decks that use SoD or to a lesser extent, stone skin, unless you're in gold, plat, or PvP2. Even then, those two SoVs (even with :darkness mark) will hardly do anything at all. Just pack in a fahrenheit and it softens up your opponent much easier.
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471926#msg471926
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 06:44:41 am »
Are we on the same page?
Fahrenheit damage can be healed, Shard of Void damage can not be healed.
Your opponents HP looks like this 98/98, 96/96, 94/94, 92/92, 90/90, and so on.
I thought the idea of the deck was to make healing useless.
If I had a Fahrenheit I would use it only in conjuntion with the final Fire Bolts.
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471943#msg471943
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 09:43:48 am »
Quote from: Junkworks on March 18, 2012, 06:44:41 am
Are we on the same page?
Fahrenheit damage can be healed, Shard of Void damage can not be healed.
Your opponents HP looks like this 98/98, 96/96, 94/94, 92/92, 90/90, and so on.
I thought the idea of the deck was to make healing useless.
If I had a Fahrenheit I would use it only in conjuntion with the final Fire Bolts.
and if you think that 2 SoV in a 30 card deck without a  :darkness mark will make the other deck lose more life than a fahrenheit, be ready to lose a lot games
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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg471954#msg471954
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 10:44:19 am »
You presume much, I was just trying to explain how Shard of Void works.
The deck I posted is the one I have but I don't own a Fahrenheit, otherwise I would use it also.
when I started this post I first mentioned something about healing and a 1 hit ko.

Quote from: furballdn on March 18, 2012, 06:29:57 am
What's the point? Very rarely will you actually find decks that use SoD or to a lesser extent, stone skin, unless you're in gold, plat, or PvP2. Even then, those two SoVs (even with :darkness mark) will hardly do anything at all. Just pack in a fahrenheit and it softens up your opponent much easier.

Perhaps so with Fahrenheit, but the way SoV works is as such. Example: After say 6 turns of 1 SoV against an opponent in pvp, his/her hp would be 100 - 6 x 2 = 88. Even if he/she attempts to regain hp it will still stay at 88.
Fahrenheit deals damage. SoV deals in reductions as it reduces the maximum amount of hp your opponent can have.



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Re: Unupped Final Flame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37540.msg472078#msg472078
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 07:05:13 pm »
It really is pointless arguing with you isn't it? The whole point of this deck is to OTK. One turn kill. You really don't care about whittling down health, and whittling down health is just something to get your OTK bolts in faster. Healing is largely irrelevant, and the only thing you'll be worried about would be stone skin and SoD as that will bring their health out of OTK range. Even then, good luck using your two pathetic SoVs to take away their gained health. You'd need 6 turns of BOTH SoVs out to even remove a single SoD played by your opponent.
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