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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454229#msg454229
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2012, 03:57:38 am »
Well, may be. IDK with that accuracy because I don't use it  :P

Remember that now it's not as effective as when it started, because of the first SoSa nerf (3 to 2 turns).
I use 200 damage OTK for platinum, because AI doesn't play most of the shields, SoSa and PC so it's hand many times becomes clogged with that stuff, making it slower.
Are you talking about instosis? That doesn't work very well either from my experience. Most decks have too much PC for it to work very well, but your mileage may vary. Plat in it's current form is pretty much useless as far as trying to farm for shards or score goes. You're much better off creaming bronze over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, which is so much fun. (Except for score, since it is STILL bugged so that you can lose score even when you win.) Seriously, I've been playing this game forever now, and I think the whole shard thing is sort of ruining it. Just my opinion of course, but I'd much rather see each element get cards with updates instead of this whole shard thing. You can't really make "original and fun" decks anymore, because there just aren't enough cards for each element for it to be any fun or "viable".

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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454315#msg454315
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2012, 09:53:58 am »
Well, about splat, i still have a 50% win rate x)
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454337#msg454337
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2012, 11:46:41 am »
Well, may be. IDK with that accuracy because I don't use it  :P

Remember that now it's not as effective as when it started, because of the first SoSa nerf (3 to 2 turns).
I use 200 damage OTK for platinum, because AI doesn't play most of the shields, SoSa and PC so it's hand many times becomes clogged with that stuff, making it slower.
Are you talking about instosis?
Because of the amount of decks with high quanta control (it's full pf BH spammers and pestals) and PC (also decks with 12 Explotions), I can recommend Instosis + 3 Sancts or the simple Limitless Speed (fat version) because of its SoGs and Sancts protecting the shields and Hourglasses. [[An admin will block me because of spamming this deck, but it's a serious comment  >:D ]]

Well, about splat, i still have a 50% win rate x)
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454344#msg454344
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2012, 12:04:46 pm »
You under-estimate admins if you think they'd warn you because you're just recommending a deck in a relevant conversation.

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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454430#msg454430
« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2012, 05:32:35 pm »
Though I don't use SPlat, I use another deck which gets very large EMs and I can say that if you think it's useless trying to use Platinum as a means of score grinding, you're underestimating it considerably.  Under normal circumstances I can make 20k score in the same amount of time that it takes a speed EM deck to make 10k in AI3.  If SPlat's winrate is around 49% then I would expect similar results.
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454475#msg454475
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2012, 06:55:34 pm »
Though I don't use SPlat, I use another deck which gets very large EMs and I can say that if you think it's useless trying to use Platinum as a means of score grinding, you're underestimating it considerably.  Under normal circumstances I can make 20k score in the same amount of time that it takes a speed EM deck to make 10k in AI3.  If SPlat's winrate is around 49% then I would expect similar results.
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454563#msg454563
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2012, 11:39:00 pm »
Well I guess I spoke too soon. I've won 9 in a row now in plat.  :-\

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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg454627#msg454627
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2012, 03:33:36 am »
***TRIALS RESPONSE***

Well, this is certainly an off-the-wall deck. Never seen anything like it. I do, however, have to some comments to make, merely a few tweaks and suggestions.

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Now I just need a name for this deck... Hmm... There is only one Hourglass... Maybe Hourglass One and Only? Nah. Sounds like a troll title. Onto the trials response!
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The change made here, for those who did not notice/DIDN'T READ the image above, was very simply an Hourglass in place of one of the three SoDs. The same change can be made in the other non-Nova version, and if you like you can exchange two Shards of Divinity out of that one for Hourglasses (Or really any other card that fits your fancy, I tried a number of things ranging from a set of Sundials, which had a more elaborate exchange to fit into the deck while staying at 30 cards, to an Eternity, but in the end I felt that a single Hourglass was the best change.

Usually when you lose it is simply due to not having enough Shards of Sacrifice to stall your opponent out or due to not being able to assemble your combo quick enough. The Hourglass marvelously helps to accomplish both of these, though it is a tad pricy for this type of deck, if you don't have the combo you're not using  :time for anything else, and if you have your combo already it helps to ensure that you can keep yourself alive long enough to get the win with it.
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg457920#msg457920
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2012, 04:17:40 pm »
First of all, Great Thanks to the author, it is a very efficient deck against a wide range of opponents.

I have now played around a 100 games with SPlat, some arena farming some FG farming. The problem opponents are those loaded with purifies, and those with many creatures and multi-empathy healing (such as Elidnis, Fire Queen, Ferox). Multiple miracles can also be a problem making you deck out.
However, you can learn which FGs to skip, and you can also give up arena games if you see multiple empathy cards come up for many creatures. Overall you probably get close to 50% win rate against FGs and platinum arena, and somewhat higher against gold arena (I got several special spins from gold).

On the other hand, what annoys me are the games when I simply do not pull any scorpion OR momentum in the first half of the deck. The RNG can really make me mad  >:D If I have 5+5 of them in the deck, holding back all 5 of a kind into the second half of the deck ought to be a very low probability event but it happens way too often!  So I modded the deck this way:

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With this version I usually get both scorpion and momentum early enough (first 2-3 turns, i.e. within 10 cards), BUT the the RNG can still screw me up by not giving me any time tower for a while -- which is again crazy as I still have 6 in the deck, so it is the same probability as all other cards (5x6). I might have to swap 1-2 divinity to time tower to fix this problem.
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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg459673#msg459673
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2012, 04:06:12 pm »
I love this deck, but I see no point in having upgraded scorpions. 3 hp is not going to make much of a difference , esp with momentum you whiz pass all those fire ice and poison shields. Only problem is rain of fire, but then if you are facing a fire or rainbow deck, it should be easy to win anyway.

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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg459677#msg459677
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2012, 04:21:03 pm »
i dissagree. when i upgraded my scorps i felt like the deck flowed better. 4 hp versus 2 hp once you add in momentum means your scorps can survive more AI CC which mean more poison which means a faster win which means less worrying about running out of SoSa. Plus, forcing the AI to use more than one CC card on your scorps means more nuerotoxin counters.

Edit: obviously they dont get upgraded first. but I think if this is going to be one of your main farming decks you might as well.

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Re: SPlat [Arena][FG][PVP2] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32373.msg459678#msg459678
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2012, 04:21:36 pm »
I love this deck, but I see no point in having upgraded scorpions. 3 hp is not going to make much of a difference , esp with momentum you whiz pass all those fire ice and poison shields. Only problem is rain of fire, but then if you are facing a fire or rainbow deck, it should be easy to win anyway.
Typically the people who have the cards/electrum to build this deck will have enough electrum to have upped scorpions.  If you don't, obviously the scorpions are the least important thing to have upgraded.

 

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