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Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460518#msg460518
« on: February 15, 2012, 05:41:32 am »
Okay, in search of more use for SoP, i tried to make more SoP swarm deck, this time using Aflatoxin. The deck name comes from the poison aflatoxin itself, which can cause liver cancer. It is naturally emitted by some species of fungi, so don't eat spoiled food.

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Ttw is about 8 from simple testing.
The combo:
Ball Lightning + Aflatoxin at the same time. It's not worth getting RoL out early, as it will instead decrease the chance for the combo to succeed. Actually, for that matter, it's better to use Ball Lightning. More damage while not changing the combo. Totally forgot about Ball Lightning.
The next turn, you can Adrenaline that Malignant cell. Adrenalined Malignant Cell multiplies at very high speed, capable of covering the board in only 3 turns (compared to non-adrenalined which take 5 turns). You generally only need one mother cell for the combo to run.
THEN, on turn 2 or 3, use SoP, preferably all at once, since the delay doesn't stack.
Next turn, enjoy!

Weak to mass CC, like Rain of Fire, Plague, Pandemonium, and Thunderstorm.
Weak to offensive shield like Fire Shield and Thorn Carapace.

I know this can improve. Suggestions are welcomed.

DISCLAIMER: the deck name can be offensive to some. I apologize for those people. I have absolutely no intention to offend you. If you think the name is offensive, you can suggest other names.

EDIT: i forgot that the deck section is divided into "duo" and "trio&quartet". Instead, i assumed it as "duo&trio" and "quartet". Sorry willng3!
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460521#msg460521
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 05:52:40 am »
Why not use Ball Lightning instead of Ray of Light with Aflatoxin? Admittedly you can't play it early, but you do get 4 more damage. Other than that, looks like a solid deck.
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460523#msg460523
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 05:57:43 am »

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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460525#msg460525
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 06:00:13 am »
Well, this one use Epinephrine and not use Chimera. More to rush than stall.
Too different of a combo to be considered similar, i guess.
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460527#msg460527
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 06:10:39 am »
I have a feeling you'll have way too much quanta. 14 pendulums? Really? That many? You could even add more aflatoxin, adrenaline, or another SoP, since you won't need that much quanta.

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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460569#msg460569
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 10:20:34 am »
Ideally, this combo should start off with:
3 pends (if less, then the combo will start 2 turns late. And we know that cells also need time to multiply.)
1 Afla
1 BL
1 Epi

So yeah, it's needed for starting it off. Late game quanta accumulation can't be helped (i guess) as trying to reduce the pends means less pend at starting hand.
But i'll also try variant of it which use less quanta.
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460572#msg460572
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 10:49:42 am »
i like it, well done! :D
do you draw BL often enough?
i guess you can still add one or two bone walls. cells are easy to kill, so when that happens you'll have (hopefully) enough defense to restart the combo.
otherwise i guess that one or two SoSac can help too.
oh and can you use epi already on BL or will it lose it after dying?
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg460615#msg460615
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 02:36:41 pm »
i like it, well done! :D
do you draw BL often enough?
i guess you can still add one or two bone walls. cells are easy to kill, so when that happens you'll have (hopefully) enough defense to restart the combo.
otherwise i guess that one or two SoSac can help too.
oh and can you use epi already on BL or will it lose it after dying?
I can draw the ideal starting hand often enough to call it stable. Maybe Bone Wall can help, but it lose against TU. (Skull Buckler lose against Steal, but you may want to consider that too) Maybe also consider Empathic Bond, but i don't know how to work those in, as this looks good already to me. Can someone help?
No you can't use Epi on BL and keep it. You use BL + Afla, then use the epi on the resulting Malignant Cell.
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg461000#msg461000
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 06:22:28 pm »
I have actually been testing a similar deck for about 2 weeks now after getting frustrated with another deck idea. Like yours, mine is very weak against early CC and mass CC.

Here is what I have so far.

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It works fairly well though I think I am going to have to add fire shield to your list of banes to this deck. though with this idea depending on what and when the CC is brought out it actually helps this deck (due to the soul catchers).

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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg461382#msg461382
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 07:40:01 pm »
I think the conceptwill work well. Why's it called liver cancer though?
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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg461389#msg461389
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 07:54:38 pm »
Liver Cancer----> Fun? lool thats some dark humour right there

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Re: Liver Cancer [fun] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36697.msg461395#msg461395
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 08:02:24 pm »
Liver Cancer----> Fun? lool thats some dark humour right there
That was totally unexpected XD
But yeah.
I think the conceptwill work well. Why's it called liver cancer though?
The deck name comes from the poison aflatoxin itself, which can cause liver cancer. It is naturally emitted by some species of fungi, so don't eat spoiled food.
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