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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408877#msg408877
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2011, 02:10:47 am »
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So it helps against multiple gods, although some of them are skips. I don't count Gemini since his shield won't be played if there's no risk of damage.
I have never seem obliterator do that before then again Obliterator is the only one preventing me from giving nromalized stats because through 150 games, I have only come across him once
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408914#msg408914
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2011, 03:18:28 am »
I sold 23 rare cards to get this deck. I got 8 back in 1 hour.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408984#msg408984
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2011, 05:37:20 am »
Yep. I think this deck is the perfect midline between RoL/Hope and Shakar's.  It's going to be the killer app of 1.29 unless it gets nerfed.  Well done. :)
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409032#msg409032
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2011, 09:48:51 am »
Yep. I think this deck is the perfect midline between RoL/Hope and Shakar's.  It's going to be the killer app of 1.29 unless it gets nerfed.  Well done. :)
It have to be. Its what i called a "stalled rush" just as with that cloak deck in the last version before ai was fixed. This winrate is insane.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409051#msg409051
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2011, 12:17:00 pm »
Akebono (GPull + Armagios), Graviton (GPull + Armagios), Incarnate (Bone Wall), Hecate (Dusk Shield), Decay (Dusk Shield, but impossible with the Time Tower build). (Scorpio has no Bone Walls)
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So it helps against multiple gods, although some of them are skips. I don't count Gemini since his shield won't be played if there's no risk of damage.
About Oblit: he does not. Armagio is the only Gravy Farce that's used unconditionally. Outside of that card, they need to have sustained heavy damage, just like with Overdrive. The Chimera list in the OP is correct.

Also, I'm sad TU doesn't copy the readiness state. Would've been less risky, what with SoR's taking :air.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409059#msg409059
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2011, 01:02:57 pm »
Also, I'm sad TU doesn't copy the readiness state. Would've been less risky, what with SoR's taking :air.
If I am correct, that's a bug:
It happens because the PU and TU skill has a common internal function (code) with Deja-Vu (skill). Deja-Vu makes an active 0 cost skill disappear from the 2nd creature (the 1st creature is another story), PU/TU does the same. Deja-Vu skill was nerfed for being over-powered, but TU is not so it musn't be nerfed that way.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409066#msg409066
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2011, 01:29:45 pm »
Might be unintended behaviour. It'll get nerfed anytime now anyway x)
Meanwhile, here's my first Decay matchup since I started playing Kamikaze Toothbrushes two days ago:


He's Easy to Medium if you get Snovas going. His start was pretty fast, but I got enough Towers. I got 7 Blitzing Dragons out when he had no Duck and let him Siphon a couple the next turn before going Chimera on his Duck ass for the 2KO.
Took 8 turns. For some reason I'm not winning any cards today though, despite almost only winning.  ::)

Edit: got him again. Got Snovas off again, but bottomdecked Mitosis. One thing's for sure: I'm not skipping him :>
Hm.. DC dead in 9 turns after two Decays:


I'm 1-1 against him now in total. His BH came after my 5 Dragons were out, and he only pulled one Elixir. Due to the sheer speed of this deck, I'm probably only gonna skip DM. Not that I've met him yet.
And while we're on the topic of FG difficulty, I'm 1-3 on Octane. Too much drawing killed by Explosions and fast Gasses and EE's. Judging from my past experience with him, he had average to slightly over average draws, so I guess I'd peg him at Hard.

This is how I finally managed to beat him in 7 turns:

Protecting myself with Chimera was my only chance at winning, and I was only lucky he didn't have any Lances. So. Close.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409078#msg409078
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2011, 01:55:59 pm »
Akebono (GPull + Armagios), Graviton (GPull + Armagios), Incarnate (Bone Wall), Hecate (Dusk Shield), Decay (Dusk Shield, but impossible with the Time Tower build). (Scorpio has no Bone Walls)
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Hecate (Dusk)
Incarnate (Bonewall)
Morte (Bonewall)
Obliterator (Titanium Shield + G-pulled Bassalt Dragon) **I don't know if the AI can play G-Pull without the threat of damage on the board though, but Titanium lowers it to 207 damage (23x9) and then the dragon eats one of the 23's away.


So it helps against multiple gods, although some of them are skips. I don't count Gemini since his shield won't be played if there's no risk of damage.
About Oblit: he does not. Armagio is the only Gravy Farce that's used unconditionally. Outside of that card, they need to have sustained heavy damage, just like with Overdrive. The Chimera list in the OP is correct.
I wonder what happened in my game then. I have no memory of playing damage early, but it was definitely GF that stopped me, so I guess that's the only possibility.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409079#msg409079
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2011, 01:58:14 pm »
Hm.. well, it's never impossible the timing has been changed. Not all changes are broadcast, after all.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409091#msg409091
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2011, 02:31:58 pm »
Will this effect PvP much? Surely that is the bench mark for nerfing, or at least that is what I had heard. It will die pretty horribly to black hole decks, which I think are pretty common (TADAbow). Also probably pulvy based decks, speed poison and Ghostmare would also be a hard match ups.

I did suggest a nerfing (+1 activation rather than set to 2) in the card change thread. Which would kill this FG killing strat, but I think still make it somewhat useful.

Edit: Oh and I think the reason that PU doesn't work with readiness is the general "new creature does not get to perform actions this turn" code. I.e. summoning sickness.


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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409097#msg409097
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2011, 02:41:59 pm »
SoR removes summoning sickness. The fact that the new creature isn't ready doesn't seem logical judging from general game mechanics.

It doesn't affect PvP much. OTK decks are nice, but this one is optimal only when upped, where there were already other options that are almost as fast, but more reliable and durable (more CC/defence).
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg409131#msg409131
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2011, 04:32:16 pm »
I wouldn't recommend using this as an Arena deck.  It's been pretty terrible in Platinum and Gold the last couple days, lower win rate for me than a standard mono-gravity deck or discord/BH variant even.
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