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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469228#msg469228
« Reply #348 on: March 10, 2012, 06:37:54 am »
I just quit vs Decay. And Dream catcher. And dark matter. And hermes. And some other pretty hard FGs. Getting  a 50% winrate against decay is quite a feat.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469229#msg469229
« Reply #349 on: March 10, 2012, 06:42:48 am »
Sevs, I would like to say thank you for sharing this great deck. This one turned FG grinding fun again :D Too bad I was out for like 4 months, lol.

I have played 200 games until now, 128-72, 64% win rate (I have the stats, in case you want). Of course, I lost some in the beggining by doing some errors, could be a bit higher.

Some comments I think you could add. There are 3 FGs that cause trouble, but that have a low damage and is usually better playing the dragons once you can do 5-7. These are Decay (I have 4-4), Dream Catcher (2-6, still hard) and Jezebel (3-2, could have 4-1, but did 7 dragons to then know that under the cloak she had 2 entropy and a fire nymph, and of course she had some siphons at hand too, lucky bitch). In fact, vs these, and maybe vs Octane (when he doesnt have 3+ EEs), I think that playing all Sundials when you just can draw is a better strategy. About FG classes, I would move Chaos Lord to easy, Graviton to medium, Hecate to hard, Hermes to hard, Seism to medium, Serket to easy.

But something that comes to mind is the fact that like 30% of my losses are to no PC Gods. I have seem someone posting +1 HG (biggest problem is not drawing them) and +1 Tower. Looks good. Do you have stats about? Or about the version you called fatstosis?

Im also doing horribly vs Hecate. Any advice on this one?

I never thought of just playing sundials to draw. seems like something i will have to try.

My computer has actually been broken (screen shattered) for like ~4 months now but as soon as i get it fixed i will finish up all the stats i was taking with the different versions.

Hecate is weird sometimes easy sometimes impossible. Everytime i play him/her/it i just hold back hourglasses till i guess it doesnt have any steals left and dump everything in a turn. once you get an hourglass to stick it becomes much easier.

Decay is also a strange one, you either get a Supernova off and hope he doesn't fractal early or you lose. pretty simple.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469246#msg469246
« Reply #350 on: March 10, 2012, 08:57:51 am »
How do you have 50% vs Decay?! Am I doing something wrong? I usually just play all the towers in my hand, then quit as he takes my entropy and plays another few pests.
In my experience, there is one thing that allows you to survive vs decay :
Play first, all towers. Hope he doesn't drain entropy. As soon as you have 2 entropy, go bazonka on supernovas.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469255#msg469255
« Reply #351 on: March 10, 2012, 10:30:07 am »
How do you have 50% vs Decay?! Am I doing something wrong? I usually just play all the towers in my hand, then quit as he takes my entropy and plays another few pests.
In my experience, there is one thing that allows you to survive vs decay :
Play first, all towers. Hope he doesn't drain entropy. As soon as you have 2 entropy, go bazonka on supernovas.
Which will make it almost impossible God after the SN nerf.
The other Gods are barely affected, though.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469257#msg469257
« Reply #352 on: March 10, 2012, 10:35:57 am »
How do you have 50% vs Decay?! Am I doing something wrong? I usually just play all the towers in my hand, then quit as he takes my entropy and plays another few pests.
In my experience, there is one thing that allows you to survive vs decay :
Play first, all towers. Hope he doesn't drain entropy. As soon as you have 2 entropy, go bazonka on supernovas.
Which will make it almost impossible God after the SN nerf.
The other Gods are barely affected, though.
No, you only need to SN once. After that, his pest will only have a 1/12 chance of draining entrophy. Then you can SN again next turn.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg469871#msg469871
« Reply #353 on: March 11, 2012, 10:18:03 pm »
Decay is very doable if you manage to play your first SN. Like I said, play all your Sundials once you can draw. At this point, he has very low damage, even 0. And you need to finish the game asap, more turns are bad.

Against Jezebel and Dream Catcher, this strategy can work or not, but vs Decay, Im sure its better than keep the Sundials in hand. If his combo is going out of control, and you have the Dragon, Mitosis, and 2-3 Shards, also there is no point on waiting for the combo, you wont have the Air quanta. Going postal sometimes can work :)



Same here, Jezebel got a Gravity Nymph. CHARGE! :D



I need to train vs Hecate in the trainer, looks like. If I play the HG, he steals it. If I wait, he steals nothing, and steals it when I decide to play it. Argh.

About the SN nerf, I really think this deck will be much more affected than it seems. Several games, you can play a 2nd HG early, just because you chain SNs. And most important, currently you dont need stop drawing because of SNs. Its a very common situation, you draw more than a SN per turn, and just play it so you can draw more, without having to waste Sundials, for example. When this curse of a nerf comes, you need stop drawing, maybe even discard the SN.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg470416#msg470416
« Reply #354 on: March 13, 2012, 02:55:52 pm »
I have been using this deck with everything but the sundials, mitosis, and chimera upped.  I must say its an amazing deck.  I have been able to beat many of the gods and with the god by god breakdown provided I can win 12000 - 20000 electrum per day depending on how much time I want to dedicate.  Guess I have to play with it as much as I can before an upcoming nerf I have been reading about.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg470419#msg470419
« Reply #355 on: March 13, 2012, 03:11:17 pm »
I spent 2 weeks farming Arena for 3 SoR (I didn't even aim for 4, after the first 3 days with no SoRs from Arena). In the end though, this is the deck that "got me on my feet" in Elements; within a day of making it, I had everything but the sundial upped. Within a week, I had 3-4 fully upped decks, and am working my way towards a rare intensive deck for Platinum. Thanks!

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg471093#msg471093
« Reply #356 on: March 15, 2012, 04:17:55 pm »
Upgrade Order
Dragon, SN are absolutely required. The rest of the upgrade order should be

Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz --> Shards of Readiness --> Mitosis --> Chimera --> Sundial
As I am using this deck since a few days I would like to share my opinion - I think Sundials should be earlier on this upgrade order.

It could seem like cost of not upgraded Sundial is not much but it really helps to be able to play them for free - at least I think it is more important to upgrade them than Mitosis and Chimera as I still have these both cards not upgraded and have no problems with their costs. As for SoR - it depends: their and Sundials upgrade could have the same value, but paying nothing for Sundials gives you more quanta to use for SoRs. Also, sometimes in play vs FGs with a lot of PC (or especially vs Seism) having upgraded Sundials could be very important.

So for me the above order should be:
Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz -->  Sundials -->  Shards of Readiness -->  Mitosis --> Chimera

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg471102#msg471102
« Reply #357 on: March 15, 2012, 04:33:26 pm »
Upgrade Order
Dragon, SN are absolutely required. The rest of the upgrade order should be

Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz --> Shards of Readiness --> Mitosis --> Chimera --> Sundial
As I am using this deck since a few days I would like to share my opinion - I think Sundials should be earlier on this upgrade order.

It could seem like cost of not upgraded Sundial is not much but it really helps to be able to play them for free - at least I think it is more important to upgrade them than Mitosis and Chimera as I still have these both cards not upgraded and have no problems with their costs. As for SoR - it depends: their and Sundials upgrade could have the same value, but paying nothing for Sundials gives you more quanta to use for SoRs. Also, sometimes in play vs FGs with a lot of PC (or especially vs Seism) having upgraded Sundials could be very important.

So for me the above order should be:
Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz -->  Sundials -->  Shards of Readiness -->  Mitosis --> Chimera
I agree with your observations, but I think the sundials and SoR should be alternatingly upgraded to make it more efficient. As many people has observed, 3/6 upped sundials is pretty usefull too. How about:

Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz -->(1 Sundial -->  1 Shard of Readiness)x4 --> 2 Sundial --> Mitosis --> Chimera

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg471117#msg471117
« Reply #358 on: March 15, 2012, 05:49:06 pm »
I agree with your observations, but I think the sundials and SoR should be alternatingly upgraded to make it more efficient. As many people has observed, 3/6 upped sundials is pretty usefull too. How about:

Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz -->(1 Sundial -->  1 Shard of Readiness)x4 --> 2 Sundial --> Mitosis --> Chimera
At some point I had upgraded 3/6 Sundials (just because I was using these three in my Rainbow deck before my two years long break from Elements) and I was at point to upgrade my SoRs and had 1 SoR upgraded. At this moment I've noticed I was losing  a lot just because I had no time quanta to play my next Sundial and at the same time I always had resources to play all 4 SoRs (1 upgraded and 3 not upgraded) in the end on my winning games.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg471204#msg471204
« Reply #359 on: March 15, 2012, 11:22:21 pm »
I started playing with this deck today. Decided to take a break from gold league killer.dec. Instosis is absolutely bonkers. Definitely folds to certain decks involving steals, black holes, etc., but other than that the deck is solid. Too solid. 

Noticed that sundials should be upgraded just a tad bit sooner. Leaves open extra time quanta just in case you need to combo early.


 

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