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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263194#msg263194
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2011, 01:45:19 am »
I have been playing a lot with this deck and am routinely losing.

The win rate is still good for me (maybe 40%) but I have a lot of times were my starting hand is an autoquit.

Quanta is one issue, about 1 in 10 games I get a bunch of towers and nothing good or the opposite with like 1 time pendulum and i am sitting there for 6-8 turns doing nothing.

This deck relies on getting all the right cards. If you don't pull an eternity and a turtle shield relatively early, you are pretty much screwed.


Also, there are a lot of ways to make mistakes with this deck. Play a shard and it takes 3 quanta from the same pool and you are kicking yourself. Play your turtle shield without anything else and boom, its gone. Pandemonium freezes creatures with a skill, because of turtle shield they are able to use the skill while frozen. Chaos power the scorpion and all the sudden it has 5 attack. Since you didn't have antimatter it gets Twinned and you are getting roughed up from behind by scorpio or elidnis or gemini.


Overall i like the deck but it is frustrating how little things have resulted ine me losing like 13 out of the last 15 gods i have played. (overall percentage is better but still)
Your quanta problem would be improved if you -1 Pendulum and +1 Time Tower. I'm repeating myself here, but Entropy is not mandatory in the beginning of the game, so a stress of Time Towers would be better.

The shard thing is sometimes frustrating too, but I usually wait till there is more Entropy than Time before I play one, so I have a higher to drain from the Entropy pool than Time. Here's an example for the first few turns of the game (assuming the Towers and Pendulums are upped):
-1 Tower, 1 Pendulum: 2  :time as you play them, 2 more when you end your turn. DON'T use the shards yet, instead, play any permanents that are good for setting up your defences; Turtle Shield > Electrum Hourglass > Eternity. There is really no point to throw an Eternity out when you are still lacking in  :time at the start of the game. As soon as you have played one of those, or have not, end turn, then you should have 3  :entropy s. THAT is when you play the shards, because the  :entropy ratio is greater than  :time, and you will get some more  :time the next turn from your Towers and Pendulums. That's how I set up my defences, and it's works wonders. Keep using shards when  the :entropy pool is greater than  :time. Only use shards when the  :time pool is greater than  :entropy if the opponent is rushing you hard.
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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263549#msg263549
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2011, 03:44:18 pm »
Interesting deck. First thing that comes to mind is:

TTW?

How "fast" or "slow" is this deck. In other words, how many turns are you giving in to "faster" decks out there?

can you give me an overview of god-by-god breakdown of TTW?

For example, a normal CCYB deck does around 18 Turns on average to kill a god, Eternal chaos?

Anyone dare to provide some numbers?

I am guessing here, but I think it should be close to 20...

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263572#msg263572
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2011, 04:38:40 pm »
gah! damn it!

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263574#msg263574
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2011, 04:43:50 pm »
I believe you :D

Anyway, I like the win rates against Dark Matter and Eternal Phoenix, I might actually consider using this when the Oracle predicts Dark Matter, thanks!

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263576#msg263576
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2011, 04:49:11 pm »
What kind of a computer can't take screenshots? Microsoft ME?

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263579#msg263579
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2011, 04:54:38 pm »
What kind of a computer can't take screenshots? Microsoft ME?
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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263589#msg263589
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2011, 05:27:17 pm »
Interesting deck. First thing that comes to mind is:

TTW?

How "fast" or "slow" is this deck. In other words, how many turns are you giving in to "faster" decks out there?

can you give me an overview of god-by-god breakdown of TTW?

For example, a normal CCYB deck does around 18 Turns on average to kill a god, Eternal chaos?

Anyone dare to provide some numbers?

I am guessing here, but I think it should be close to 20...

This deck is really variable. On a good start, I can get out an eternity and turtle shield and keep rewinding high cost creatures. If I get the scorpion and chaos seed soon thereafter, I can just rewind and the game will be done in like 12-15 turns - quick too.


On the other hand, I have gone into "anti deck out" mod and rewound my scorp for like 7-8 turns giving me a 30+ turn win.

It really depends but on average i would say this deck is a little slower than CCYB. It is definitely faster in specific instances, but if you average in the times that took forever, it is probably slower than CCYB, average.

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263603#msg263603
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2011, 06:10:42 pm »
What kind of a computer can't take screenshots? Microsoft ME?
Mac  :(

bah i just did it again, seriously why cant you guys?
Why kind of Mac can't take screenshots? The iMac?

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263684#msg263684
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2011, 09:53:31 pm »
This is one interesting deck! I look forward to testing it, as I found neurotoxin interesting in the past already and actually tried to make a deck similiar to this one but failed :P
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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg263731#msg263731
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2011, 11:41:05 pm »
What kind of a computer can't take screenshots? Microsoft ME?
Mac  :(

bah i just did it again, seriously why cant you guys?
Why kind of Mac can't take screenshots? The iMac?
some kind of macbook....
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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg266797#msg266797
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2011, 03:23:41 am »
I was kind of smitten by this deck, but today I went 2 wins to 20 losses straight. My score dropped down a lot and I got over this deck.

There are just more things that can go wrong than can go right. Quanta is the main issue as I said before. Any destruction, stealing or blackholes set you backs turns and turns.

You are lucky if you get an early shield.

The final straw was me with tons of HP kicking Eternal Chaos's butt. I was pretty close to winning but I started having to rewind my scorpions. NP until he stole my eternity thus decking me.


so many other times I have been within 1 turn of winning with this deck that it is too frustrating to continue. I think it does a better job at more FGs than CCYB, but some gods for CCYB are really easy while this deck struggles against all the FGs.


I think it is a good idea, but not good enough to takeover my FG grinding with CCYB.

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Re: Eternal Chaos (with some stats and a guide for grinding FGs) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20173.msg266894#msg266894
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2011, 07:00:51 am »
I was kind of smitten by this deck, but today I went 2 wins to 20 losses straight. My score dropped down a lot and I got over this deck.

There are just more things that can go wrong than can go right. Quanta is the main issue as I said before. Any destruction, stealing or blackholes set you backs turns and turns.

You are lucky if you get an early shield.

The final straw was me with tons of HP kicking Eternal Chaos's butt. I was pretty close to winning but I started having to rewind my scorpions. NP until he stole my eternity thus decking me.


so many other times I have been within 1 turn of winning with this deck that it is too frustrating to continue. I think it does a better job at more FGs than CCYB, but some gods for CCYB are really easy while this deck struggles against all the FGs.


I think it is a good idea, but not good enough to takeover my FG grinding with CCYB.
I have exactly the same feeling with this deck. Personally it just takes too long in my eyes. I did about 40 games, and only got a handfull of wins, where it took me around 20-30 turns to get there.

It is a nice deck, but not for grinding FG. Too slow, and last turn losses are plenty. I like to know as early as possible that I am going to lose so I can quit and move on.

 

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