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EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg243504#msg243504
« on: January 08, 2011, 11:01:36 pm »
So because of the unpopular popular and nice feedback, I decided to post a second version of the not famous and incredibly unknown "EM Quanta Denial" deck.

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The first version did not have the SoR's, added here for quick starts. A second nymph was added because Antimatter will play a big part until our BH Nymph comes out.

Lastly, I changed it to gravity pends and entropy mark because it might be rare to get those 2 SoR's, and so I'll always have enough entropy quanta to use the second Purple Nymph's ability (And maybe even on excess.)

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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244046#msg244046
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 07:08:55 pm »
Mkay, the reason BH/Discord decks use Entropy pendulums is due to the goal of getting Discord out as early as possible. Without more Black Holes, this slowness in your deck will show even more. If you want Flying Weapons, I suggest going Air mark and pillars OR using Novas. Speeds the deck up on the whole.

You also barely have any offense, which makes the quanta denial a bit redundant. Unless you get that Amber out, you have no denial mid-game or late-game, and since the opponent will often have much quanta by that time, it's a prime target for CC.
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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244052#msg244052
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 07:23:43 pm »
Mkay, the reason BH/Discord decks use Entropy pendulums is due to the goal of getting Discord out as early as possible. Without more Black Holes, this slowness in your deck will show even more. If you want Flying Weapons, I suggest going Air mark and pillars OR using Novas. Speeds the deck up on the whole.

You also barely have any offense, which makes the quanta denial a bit redundant. Unless you get that Amber out, you have no denial mid-game or late-game, and since the opponent will often have much quanta by that time, it's a prime target for CC.
In this case I use the entropy mark to get discord out even faster, and carry on with a second purple nymph without SoR to continue the killing. CC is normally a killer there, but I can usually draw out some CC with the Discords, as only one is really needed. After that, I can be "almost" safe. Higher problems here are Fire Shields, that kills the nymphs without even looking at them.

I avoid using Nova's because the SoR could draw out Air Quanta, and I lay there with a dead card in hand. It may be a good Idea, but it relies too much on RNG for me.

The air mark might be good, but then I'd have to use pillars of both elements, which would be kind of hard to balance (yet, still works.)

[short reply] : its a nice deck, but it takes a while to set up.

[long analysis]:


The main attacker is the discords.

Support is cumming from Blackholes/ nymphs.

Shards of readiness act to "improve" the standing of the nymphs.

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This deck has some good strengths.
*Impressive quanta denial.
*"relatively cheap" quanta requirements.
*locks down the opponent mid-game, late game.

The longer this deck is in play, the more and more this will harm the opponent.

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Problems (at a glance)
*Early rushes could overwhelm this deck if they have too many out.
*damage by nymphs is "directly" too weak, and you rely heavily on discord + addition of another card to do "direct damage" if your opponent can take down one nymph, your deck is done for.
*Shards of Readiness is a nice addition but useful for 3 out of 26 cards. Its a "last ditch" maneuver, and not really helping; by mid-late game you have all the quanta you need to continue your attacks.

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Suggestions/recommendations.
*you need to somehow add some protection to the purple/amber nymphs.
*if other CC/ PC controls are in the hand of your opponent at any time, this deck doesn't have any "walk in counters",
*deck relying on "set up" needs a way to stall. add fog shields instead of SoR.
While the direct damage is slow, I rely on some small stalling before I set up to survive long enough. While the SoR's aren't needed late game, a Purple Nymph in my starting hand is played relatively earlier and can cause me a head-ache if I don't have the quanta to heal myself with it (in which case SoR is useful.) While I do end up having some excessive quanta late-game, the boost that SoR's give early-game is too big to ditch.

Early rushes are a problem - (specially Immo Rushes), but Mono Rushes (Like Shrieker Rush) can get killed easily by the Discord that comes rather early - while a few others take a turn or two too late to come up and around.

I'd add some protection to the nymphs, but the only way to do that would use Aether - Something that, thinking now, would be good because of the PU to have "More nymphs".

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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244090#msg244090
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 08:15:27 pm »
No, Entropy mark isn't faster. That's why people use Entropy pendulums, as I said. A better argument for this deck is that you need the :entropy for the Nymphs.
The low denial is sorta fine because Discord just buys you that much time, but DK's idea of a Fog Shield is a good one.
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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244104#msg244104
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 08:37:38 pm »
But even said argument isn't half worth it as I use 'em SoR's.

Using the entropy pend lets me get discords out faster, which is better as it deals more damage and denies faster.

Fog Shield is a good idea, but I'll have to use it with Air Pends, as with Novas it'll be conflicting for air quanta with Flying Weapons.

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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244120#msg244120
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 08:55:29 pm »
Of course it is. Purple Nymphs are very expensive to play.
(yes, that's what I said about pends, which you are not using)
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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244121#msg244121
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 08:56:52 pm »
So is the Gravity Nymph. I'll get the Purple Nymph out in no time, but the Grav. Nymph takes a little more.

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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244125#msg244125
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 09:02:36 pm »
Right.. which doesn't affect the argument. Purples are more important, as you need to survive. Packing 2 is crucial.
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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244128#msg244128
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 09:07:42 pm »
I almost forgot what was the argument.  :-\

Actually, since this is Quanta Denial, the Grav. would be more important... shame I don't have two of them.

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Re: EM Quanta Denial (Version 2). https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19115.msg244130#msg244130
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 09:11:13 pm »
As we've been over, it's weak on the denial part, which is why you're using Purples to survive. That's why more Black Holes are advisable, which could easily be the result of shaving down on Air pendies.
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