Post by: bucky1andonly on August 12, 2010, 08:05:47 pm
the 4 ??? are dune scorpions, hellt needs to update for the pics it seems
-edit- this is the final version of the deck, it seems to get me the most fg kills
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dark matter..........| 2W - 5L | early poison + sogs, eternity if you can get some quanta
decay................| 3W - 3L | early poison + shield, eternity doesnt help
destiny..............| 4W - 2L | faily easy, draws a lot, so lots of played cards, early poison
dream catcher........| 1W - 2L |
elidnis..............| 2W - 0L | dunno, elidnis always has trouble getting towers out against me, always easy
eternal phoenix......| 0W - 2L | too many creatures and deflags, no strat i can think of
ferox................| 1W - 1L | early eternity + shield
fire queen...........| 3W - 1L | early eternity
gemini...............| 2W - 1L | early shield + sogs
graviton.............| 0W - 3L |
hermes...............| 1W - 2L |
incarnate............| 1W - 1L | early eternity + sogs
miracle..............| 2W - 0L | eternity + shield for sure
morte................| 0W - 1L |
neptune..............| 7W - 0L | uh, 7-0, i think anything works against neptune
obliterator..........| 1W - 1L | early shield really helps
octane...............| 2W - 1L | just keep playing stuff, he doesnt have enough deflags
osiris...............| 4W - 1L | early shield
rainbow..............| 2W - 2L | rainbow is too unpredictable
scorpio..............| 1W - 0L | early shield and poison
seism................| 1W - 2L | quakes : (
games - 71total 40W - 31L
56.3%
the 4 ??? are dune scorpions, helltgivre.free.fr/elements needs to update for the pics it seems
these numbers i will say are wrong, due to my incredible bad luck. i usually always draw 1 tower when the fg draws a bad hand, and i get a good hand when the fg gets an excellent hand. and the fg always draws that deflag when i play something. ALWAYS!! id put it on video if this comp could handle that to prove my luck (its the reason why i should just not enter tourneys, but it wont stop me from doing so :P)
i found this deck to be faster than rol/hope and ccyb
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 13, 2010, 02:18:30 pm
Post by: sSethia on August 13, 2010, 06:31:46 pm
It was probably because I didn't like the lone Animate Weapon, so I took it out, but...
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd79965/Ferox_Lose_125Poison.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/)
Post by: silverblack on August 13, 2010, 08:07:25 pm
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 13, 2010, 08:28:09 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on August 14, 2010, 12:07:01 am
Post by: jmdt on August 14, 2010, 12:09:05 am
Post by: kintar on August 14, 2010, 12:14:51 am
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 14, 2010, 12:16:58 am
the lone animate weapon was there in case you needed 2 eternitys to help with the creature control, or if you needed more time to kill the fg, so you might have to do one of your creatures and one of his, plus extra dmg is always nicethats why
Post by: Kurohami on August 14, 2010, 12:23:34 am
Post by: guolin on August 14, 2010, 12:31:42 am
I met a deck pretty much exactly like this in PVP2, it's somewhat slow and I out rushed its poison, procrastination, eternity and SoGs with my life/light duo with relative ease.Each deck has their own counters. What deck were you using?
Post by: kintar on August 14, 2010, 12:31:53 am
That explains why you need 2 eternities. Why are there 2 more?the lone animate weapon was there in case you needed 2 eternitys to help with the creature control, or if you needed more time to kill the fg, so you might have to do one of your creatures and one of his, plus extra dmg is always nicethats why
Post by: guolin on August 14, 2010, 12:32:22 am
Drawing them early and Perma-control.That explains why you need 2 eternities. Why are there 2 more?the lone animate weapon was there in case you needed 2 eternitys to help with the creature control, or if you needed more time to kill the fg, so you might have to do one of your creatures and one of his, plus extra dmg is always nicethats why
Post by: Kurohami on August 14, 2010, 12:51:34 am
Just a straightforward life rush with boost from light towers and leaf dragons, there were some luciferine and empathic bonds in that deck as well. He actually managed to get out most of the contents of this deck on to the field(scorpion, eternity, procrastination, SoG), in no time I got 25 poison counters, but that did little compared to my army of frogs, leaf dragons and jade dragons, I also had a bond out at the time. Killed him with 80+ health.I met a deck pretty much exactly like this in PVP2, it's somewhat slow and I out rushed its poison, procrastination, eternity and SoGs with my life/light duo with relative ease.Each deck has their own counters. What deck were you using?
Post by: wavedash on August 14, 2010, 04:26:42 am
-1 Eternity
-4 Time Towers
+4 Gravity Pendulums
+2 Pulverizers
+1 Animate Weapon
Dunno about the number of Pendulums, but it seems like this could work much better.
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 14, 2010, 04:46:25 am
Post by: jmdt on August 14, 2010, 05:38:58 am
Mark of TimeWhere is the earth quanta to pay for these pulverizers?
-1 Eternity
-4 Time Towers
+4 Gravity Pendulums
+2 Pulverizers
+1 Animate Weapon
Dunno about the number of Pendulums, but it seems like this could work much better.
Post by: Unholy Spirit on August 14, 2010, 06:24:14 am
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 14, 2010, 06:56:45 am
Post by: MrBlonde on August 14, 2010, 11:04:39 am
Mark of TimeIt would be nice to get some perm control in here but this deck uses a lot of time quanta so i'm thinking it would be a bad idea.
-1 Eternity
-4 Time Towers
+4 Gravity Pendulums
+2 Pulverizers
+1 Animate Weapon
Dunno about the number of Pendulums, but it seems like this could work much better.
Post by: Naez on August 14, 2010, 11:24:26 am
Post by: MrBlonde on August 14, 2010, 11:51:35 am
Wins - Dark Matter (nice to beat him), FFQ, Gemini
Losses - Gemini (outrushed), FFQ (no Eternity early, outrushed), Eternal Phoenix (2), Chaos Lord (1st round discord), Decay, Graviton.
And the suggestion for Pulvy's and Earth Pendulums would not work. At the beginning you are living on the edge of your time quanta.
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 14, 2010, 04:26:48 pm
now graviton and eternal phoenix are 2 toughies for me as well, but generally with decay, if you can get him poisoned right away, you should win (fractal pests FTW), gemini, the shield is usually the game winner
Post by: MrBlonde on August 14, 2010, 06:41:54 pm
im not too worried about em's, since the matches go by faster than when i use my ccyb deckBy no means do i think this deck is bad (i hope i didn't give that impression). I actually have quit using the ccyb deck and am using my own personal timebow. I just prefer getting EM's and i think in the long run this deck will run at around 45-50%.
now graviton and eternal phoenix are 2 toughies for me as well, but generally with decay, if you can get him poisoned right away, you should win (fractal pests FTW), gemini, the shield is usually the game winner
Graviton and Eternal Phoenix really are generally tough for most FG decks so i don't really expect to win those very often. Thanks for posting the deck though as i do enjoy trying out new decks.
Post by: guolin on August 14, 2010, 07:35:30 pm
Post by: jmdt on August 14, 2010, 07:41:25 pm
This is yet another semi-successful non-rainbow FG grinder. :D It has the potential to be the next RoL/Hope. Can't wait to try it out.All things considered I'd say this deck has a higher winning % than a RoL/Hope, but lower than a rainbow. Faster than the rainbow, but slower than the RoL/Hope. Its great to know we have 3 solid options now.
Post by: zse on August 14, 2010, 09:29:10 pm
I'm now trying couple of ideas how to make this work better:
1) Pharaoh! Time+Gravity already in original build, + Eternity or two ain't enough to keep critters in leash forever.
2) Gravity Pendulums + Mark of Time.
3 biggest change) Entropy! :o Dune S. + Unstoppable is a great card combo, but Dune S. + Chaos Power is pretty much as good. If you add Antimatter to the mix, you can also pass shields. The idea I had is that Entropy also has Butterfly Effect, Pandemonium, Dissipation Field, and Maxwell... while Gravity has Otyugh, Armagio, and eh um mm nothing else really.
Entropy/Time could look something like this
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4vg 4vg 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6tt 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u7 6u7 6u7 6u8 6u8 6u9 6u9 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 7n2 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7q8 7qd 7qd 7qd 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri4 Entropy Pendulum, 3 Dune Scorpion, 6 Time Pendulum
Post by: Baily18 on August 14, 2010, 10:38:43 pm
Post by: zse on August 14, 2010, 11:08:07 pm
Walls can be passed by giving Scorpion a negative attack power with Antimatter (once again I wish I had Purple Nymph), or by using Butterfly.
50 cards is too much, but this is just a rough start that is supposed to be polished to perfection. ;) I've tested it only on Half-Blood and it's working nicely there, have to tweak it more and then try FG.
Post by: wavedash on August 15, 2010, 02:11:51 am
Chaos Power got a little boost, now it's guaranteed to give at least +1/+1, but yeah, it's still a gamble.So, let's see. My options are either using Chaos Power and Antimatter to heal my opponent and get past his shields, or I can use Momentum, which costs seven times less, accomplishes the same thing, and doesn't heal my opponent.
Walls can be passed by giving Scorpion a negative attack power with Antimatter (once again I wish I had Purple Nymph), or by using Butterfly.
Hard decision.
Post by: jmdt on August 15, 2010, 02:13:34 am
Post by: smuglapse on August 15, 2010, 02:29:20 am
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 15, 2010, 02:33:38 am
Post by: zse on August 15, 2010, 08:44:58 pm
Hard decision indeed.Chaos Power got a little boost, now it's guaranteed to give at least +1/+1, but yeah, it's still a gamble.So, let's see. My options are either using Chaos Power and Antimatter to heal my opponent and get past his shields, or I can use Momentum, which costs seven times less, accomplishes the same thing, and doesn't heal my opponent.
Walls can be passed by giving Scorpion a negative attack power with Antimatter (once again I wish I had Purple Nymph), or by using Butterfly.
Hard decision.
BUT lets now look at the image sSethia posted on page 1. He had 3 Scorpions with Momentum on board and Eternity to stall Ferox, but he still lost the game because he got attacked for 45,5 damage per turn (attack damage divided by 2 due to Turtle Shield). If he had used 2 antimatters on dragons Ferox had on table he would have been taken 9,5 damage per turn.
So, let's see. My options are either using Chaos Power and Antimatter to heal my opponent and get past his shields AND THEN WIN MATCH, or I can use Momentum, which costs seven times less, accomplishes the same thing, and doesn't heal my opponent AND THEN LOSE MATCH. :-*
Anyway, I posted my deck on Deck Help ( http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11335.0.html ), lets continue discussion of entropy-version there, and leave this topic to gravity-version. OK?
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 15, 2010, 09:11:19 pm
2nd last and last turn against chaos lord
Post by: zse on August 15, 2010, 09:38:33 pm
When I tried your build, I struggled to get enough Time quanta at the start for Hourglasses and Eternity, and that change could help. You can win the match with just 1 Gravity quantum, and the whole deck needs only 4 anyway.
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 15, 2010, 10:21:40 pm
Post by: kobisjeruk on August 16, 2010, 05:58:31 am
one thing to remember, if you're not using repetitive skill with off
its just a waste of quanta to do so
Post by: Clathius on August 16, 2010, 09:32:23 pm
Chaos Powers are too random. the 1-3 attack blocking shields FGs have will stop you from getting the hit. Bone wall will also stop you. 50 cards seems kinda big too :PI've been messing around with a :time/ :entropy version using chaos power instead of momentum. It has the obvious disadvantages vs momentum BUT then you gain the option to use butterfly effect which you can play right on your scorps. With access to destroy, shields are irrelevant.
You also have access to anti-matter.
I am still struggling with neurotoxin in general...it seems like an awful lot of effort in order to get a tricky poison just for the +1 poison they gain when playing a creature. My problem is you win games but you never EM. If you do not consistently EM the FG, you will actually lose score over time.
Post by: jmdt on August 17, 2010, 12:10:50 am
My problem is you win games but you never EM. If you do not consistently EM the FG, you will actually lose score over time.If you want score play AI3. I play the fg's solely for the cards and as long as the deck is winning a decent % and is fun, it acheives this quite nicely.
This is a very fun build that is quite different than anything that has came before.
Post by: smuglapse on August 17, 2010, 12:20:01 am
My problem is you win games but you never EM. If you do not consistently EM the FG, you will actually lose score over time.If you are already including Butterfly to take out their weapon, you might want to take 1 or 2 Sundials to finish them off with poison while you are healing with your SoGs.
Another option is taking 1 or 2 Holy Flashes, but, of course, including more cards will make your deck less consistent overall.
Post by: IcyChill on August 17, 2010, 02:29:06 am
these numbers i will say are wrong, due to my incredible bad luck. i usually always draw 1 tower when the fg draws a bad hand, and i get a good hand when the fg gets an excellent hand. and the fg always draws that deflag when i play something. ALWAYS!! id put it on video if this comp could handle that to prove my luck (its the reason why i should just not enter tourneys, but it wont stop me from doing so :P)i have worse luck than you cuz i always get bad hands when using this deck, maybe it hates me? :(
btw i would take out 1 eternity and 1 shield for 2 towers cuz i feel this deck kinda lacks quanta....
Post by: kobisjeruk on August 17, 2010, 07:49:48 am
If you are already including Butterfly to take out their weapon, you might want to take 1 or 2 Sundials to finish them off with poison while you are healing with your SoGs.if i'm not mistaken, poison triggers before SoGs
in fact, poison triggers right after you click space bar (end the turn) last i check (same with purify heal counter)
Post by: smuglapse on August 17, 2010, 08:41:37 am
if i'm not mistaken, poison triggers before SoGsYes it does. You have to predict a turn or two ahead.
in fact, poison triggers right after you click space bar (end the turn) last i check (same with purify heal counter)
Post by: Nume on August 17, 2010, 03:09:19 pm
Yeah he's saying you stop their creatures from attacking for a couple turns allowing you to heal before the last turn in which you kill them.If you are already including Butterfly to take out their weapon, you might want to take 1 or 2 Sundials to finish them off with poison while you are healing with your SoGs.if i'm not mistaken, poison triggers before SoGs
in fact, poison triggers right after you click space bar (end the turn) last i check (same with purify heal counter)
Post by: ggabriel2 on August 17, 2010, 04:52:19 pm
I've been messing around with a :time/ :entropy version using chaos power instead of momentum. It has the obvious disadvantages vs momentum BUT then you gain the option to use butterfly effect which you can play right on your scorps. With access to destroy, shields are irrelevant.I'm having a lot of fun with an antimatter-heavy entropy/time variant. Stick them once and let the poison do its work while you get healed forever--it's nice not having to worry about the AI blowing up your eternities or scorpions. Against some gods being able to play chaos powers on targets to antimatter can be lifesaving. Pandemonium can sweep the field of small creatures that aren't worth anti-ing and can give you a chance against some FGs that would shut you down otherwise (feral bonders and RoL/miracle gods.)
You also have access to anti-matter.
Post by: Old Guy on August 17, 2010, 05:44:25 pm
Nice deck ;)
Post by: zse on August 17, 2010, 08:56:10 pm
I'm having a lot of fun with an antimatter-heavy entropy/time variant. Stick them once and let the poison do its work while you get healed forever--it's nice not having to worry about the AI blowing up your eternities or scorpions. Against some gods being able to play chaos powers on targets to antimatter can be lifesaving. Pandemonium can sweep the field of small creatures that aren't worth anti-ing and can give you a chance against some FGs that would shut you down otherwise (feral bonders and RoL/miracle gods.)Feral bonders can be dealt with Butterfly, and RoL/Miracle by using 2x Eternity (Animate Weapon) to mess opponents draw "For the rest of the game you'll draw the same 2 RoLs again and again, too bad for you." :P
Can someone give me feedback for my :time/ :entropy DuneS deck, pretty please with a cherry on top :-[
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11335.0.html
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 18, 2010, 06:32:21 pm
(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4sl&deck=z66rnz474az27n2z97q0z57q0z37q3z37q5z47q8z47qd)
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6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 74a 74a 74a 74a 7n2 7n2 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q3 7q3 7q3 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7q8 7q8 7qd 7qd 7qd 7qdsuggestion for a tactic, use the eternity to send the big creatures back, so that some are stopped on one turn, while others are attacking on others, then proceed to send the smaller creatures back. this way, youre not taking a huge amount any turn. only do this if they already have too much quanta and can constantly bring out the big creatures, if they are lacking towers, then obviously send the big ones back so they cant play them right away.
Post by: Nume on August 18, 2010, 06:38:17 pm
Post by: bucky1andonly on August 18, 2010, 06:39:18 pm
Post by: WSL on October 08, 2010, 11:58:30 pm
fun deck I love it XD
Post by: lokiburn4 on October 10, 2010, 04:44:32 am
Post by: Chironex on December 08, 2010, 12:06:22 am
Post by: scottish on December 11, 2010, 12:14:43 pm
It works superb. I could feed otyugh with small creatures and send back the greater one until otyugh was big enough.
Anyway perfect deck agains half blood (I started to boring Hope deck).
Thanks
Post by: gamecrashed on December 11, 2010, 10:34:00 pm
Post by: willng3 on December 11, 2010, 11:03:38 pm
would a unupped version work the SoGs are upgradedI've tried this deck even partially unupped and I have to say it does not work well. Fully upped is completely different, however.
Post by: lokiburn4 on December 14, 2010, 06:31:56 am
Post by: lokiburn4 on December 14, 2010, 06:33:53 am
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Post by: lokiburn4 on December 14, 2010, 06:42:43 am
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5ro 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u7 6u7 6u7 7n2 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q3 7q3 7q3 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7q8 7qd 7qd 7qdFor this one, let me say: It's not as effective as the other version. But it is a nice change of pace, and can grant EM's if your lucky.
:time :entropy :time :entropy :time
You have to watch out for shields and pray that the chaos power will give your scorp enough to get past it, or use 2 if you need to. Bone shield is especially annoying. After that is where the real fun of this deck comes into play. You can use the remaining CP to buff up the FG's monsters before you AM them. Megahealing!
:time :entropy :time :entropy :time
Oh. And the only reason there there is an unupped Eternity, is because I'm cheap.
Thanks for reading - Enjoy!
Post by: Kuroaitou on December 14, 2010, 07:27:51 am
Post by: SnoWeb on December 14, 2010, 09:12:45 am
Why not rename it - Neurotoxic Eternity, or something along those lines?or Eternal neurotoxic (see here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17360.msg235856#msg235856))
or maybe Eternal Brain Damage
Post by: Daytripper on December 19, 2010, 08:40:00 pm
I think it is fair enough to use sets of 3. It is faster and most people do it. Check the decks with 3 quinted units and such. I can't see anyone using 4 eternities anyway, your position would already be pretty bad. I do prefer 4 attackers, but most draws are ok with 3. Playing with a 34 card version now, I might buy the rest as well.
A rainbow scorp deck could be stronger... After all you can hang a deathstalker on top of the damage for 2 poison damage. You can even add a forest scorpion, needs no buff to attack. If it hasnt changed, it it still neuro damage as soon as the dune scorp attacks. Has anyone made a deck with that lately?