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Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534254#msg534254
« on: August 17, 2012, 07:06:23 pm »
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Akay, this looks like all those Shard Golems decks, but it comes with a twist: SoBra used mainly for drawing and Long Sword for more damage.
It has awesome results: 50 games: 50 wins, 5.08 TTW, 4 EMs.

Spoiler for Strategy:
It's way more complex than other Shard Golem decks.
  • You should normally keep using SoBra till you have 1 SoI, 2 SoW and 1 SoFr.
  • Always keep enough quanta for SoI play.
  • If you have a little golem don't play SoFr for crit, if you have a big one play SoFr for crit, that's how I got 3 ttw.
  • Against Ai3 with damage CC(a.k.a that don't really stop a big golem) you don't need a Immaterial golem, but you should get one and then buff it with shards).
  • Against Ai3 with soft CC(a.k.a that delay the rush) you need a Immaterial golem, which should be pretty simple.
  • A Shard Golem with a SoFr on it is flying, after you got your first flying golem out play the rest SoFr.

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TTW=33
TTW=412
TTW=517
TTW=614
TTW=74
Spoiler for Game by game:
Game 1: 6 ttw
Game 2: 4 ttw
Game 3: 5 ttw
Game 4: 6 ttw
Game 5: 5 ttw, EM
Game 6: 3 ttw
Game 7: 4 ttw
Game 8: 6 ttw
Game 9: 6 ttw
Game 10: 4 ttw
Game 11: 6 ttw
Game 12: 5 ttw
Game 13: 4 ttw
Game 14: 6 ttw
Game 15: 5 ttw
Game 16: 5 ttw
Game 17: 6 ttw
Game 18: 5 ttw
Game 19: 4 ttw
Game 20: 6 ttw
Game 21: 5 ttw
Game 22: 4 ttw
Game 23: 6 ttw
Game 24: 7 ttw
Game 25: 5 ttw
Game 26: 5 ttw
Game 27: 3 ttw, EM
Game 28: 3 ttw
Game 29: 5 ttw
Game 30: 4 ttw, EM
Game 31: 5 ttw
Game 32: 6 ttw
Game 33: 7 ttw
Game 34: 5 ttw
Game 35: 4 ttw
Game 36: 6 ttw
Game 37: 6 ttw, EM
Game 38: 4 ttw
Game 39: 5 ttw
Game 40: 4 ttw
Game 41: 5 ttw
Game 42: 4 ttw
Game 43: 5 ttw
Game 44: 4 ttw
Game 45: 7 ttw
Game 46: 6 ttw
Game 47: 6 ttw
Game 48: 5 ttw
Game 49: 7 ttw
Game 50: 5 ttw
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534256#msg534256
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 07:11:41 pm »
SoI OP! Clearly it needs a nerf!
That said, would it be faster with SoR? (Deja Vu and all)
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534258#msg534258
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 07:15:33 pm »
That said, would it be faster with SoR? (Deja Vu and all)

Nope, since you won't be able to get Deja Vu down and SoFr is actually quite nice.
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534259#msg534259
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 07:18:06 pm »
SoI OP! Clearly it needs a nerf!
That said, would it be faster with SoR? (Deja Vu and all)
Deja vu is awesome but impractical. Pretty hard to get exactly 4 SoRs.
Only 4 SoI? Is that enough? Another thing I'm slightly worried about is that with SoBe drawing, you might find yourself low on quanta.

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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534260#msg534260
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 07:23:38 pm »
SoI OP! Clearly it needs a nerf!
That said, would it be faster with SoR? (Deja Vu and all)
Deja vu is awesome but impractical. Pretty hard to get exactly 4 SoRs.
Only 4 SoI? Is that enough? Another thing I'm slightly worried about is that with SoBe drawing, you might find yourself low on quanta.

2 of those 7 ttws are when I didn't got a fast SoI(First 15 cards), 1 of those against sundial elder and one of those when I forgot about mutation and didn't made my golem immaterial.
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534261#msg534261
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 07:27:08 pm »
Only 4 SoI? Is that enough? Another thing I'm slightly worried about is that with SoBe drawing, you might find yourself low on quanta.

You won't be low on quanta.  I used this deck in CL except with -2 longsword +2 SoI and I was never quanta screwed.  (except one game where I misclicked, costing myself one turn and the win :p)  I'd be pretty nervous about playing this with only 4 SoI, though.  And yeah, the deja vu thing would be fun, but you'll almost never actually get the right shards to do it; I tried to do it once and it just doesn't work.

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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534262#msg534262
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 07:28:57 pm »
Only 4 SoI? Is that enough? Another thing I'm slightly worried about is that with SoBe drawing, you might find yourself low on quanta.

You won't be low on quanta.  I used this deck in CL except with -2 longsword +2 SoI and I was never quanta screwed.  (except one game where I misclicked, costing myself one turn and the win :p)  I'd be pretty nervous about playing this with only 4 SoI, though.  And yeah, the deja vu thing would be fun, but you'll almost never actually get the right shards to do it; I tried to do it once and it just doesn't work.
With just a 6/6/6/6/6 build it's nothing really special, basically just the ultimate. This is rather similar as well, with only swapping two SoI for longswords. I'd swap one longsword for a SoI. Even with 5 SoI shard rushes, RNG can be a pain.

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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534263#msg534263
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 07:29:53 pm »
calindu: I just don't want to see some other decks that are different in thread and then discussion on it 
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534264#msg534264
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I use this.
I prefer the SoR possibilities of scarab, dejavu or neurotoxin over the air ones. I can get through the shields pretty well with immortal and SoW anyway. Added bonus is extra draws from precogs, SoRs to use things if you're forced to throw non immortal golem out and SoB for extra draws and more damage to the golem.
I find weapons useless in this, because the point is to get a massive golem out as soon as possible. Everything which doesn't accomplish this will be removed.
This is pretty much draw reliant deck though, sometimes you can win in 3 turns with 25attack golem with dejavu, sometimes everything goes against you and you need 4 turns to even draw your first nova/soi.
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534268#msg534268
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 07:34:59 pm »
To be honest, all shard golem rushes are derivatives of the ultimate. Either they have a 6/6/6/6/6 build or a build that allows for 2 filler cards. While SoR is nice, SoFre is better than SoR because it allows fireflies (more damage) and PC as well as criticals.

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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534270#msg534270
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 07:37:20 pm »
calindu: I just don't want to see some other decks that are different in thread and then discussion on it 
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Re: Dem Brave Golems [5.08 TTW] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42840.msg534271#msg534271
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 07:39:09 pm »
I disagree. Sor allows scrabs and dejavu. Nothing is more tasty than dejavu'ing a 25 attack golem with Sow at turn 2.
Doesn't happen that often. Trust me, I know. The reliability of SoFre is better than waiting for the exact 4 SoR to hit your hand. I've played with many variations of shard golem rushes for a while.

 

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