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Brave Instosis [Rainbow] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg466940#msg466940
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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg466954#msg466954
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 01:20:18 am »
I think this kinda shows how OP Instosis is. SoBe might be a bit OP, but it's really in SN rushes and OTKs where it goes nuts.

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg466990#msg466990
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 02:32:23 am »
I think this kinda shows how OP Instosis is. SoBe might be a bit OP, but it's really in SN rushes and OTKs where it goes nuts.

Awesomely fun deck to play though. :D
Precisely. SoR should give a second use of an ability for that turn not +1 per SoR.
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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467001#msg467001
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 02:41:06 am »
I think this kinda shows how OP Instosis is. SoBe might be a bit OP, but it's really in SN rushes and OTKs where it goes nuts.

Awesomely fun deck to play though. :D
Precisely. SoR should give a second use of an ability for that turn not +1 per SoR.
If you're going to nerf SoR, I advise just making it make the skill cost free, and allowing the creature to use the skill immediately once. That way, even with 4 SoRs, you'll only have 5 dragons on the field.

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467043#msg467043
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 03:38:34 am »
The instosis deck was already overpowered, but this just takes the cake :p  As soon as I saw shard of bravery, I knew this would happen.  I already proposed some nerfs to that shard, so I won't repeat them.

The other problem I will discuss is the (I'm assuming) unintended effect by which multiple SoRs on the same creature allow even more skill uses/turn.  Spamming SoR on a time creature shouldn't let you use the ability more than twice in the same turn.  The card says 'time creatures may use their skill twice this turn'.  If you play a second SoR on a creature that has already used its skill twice this turn, why are we allowed to use it -another- two times from a second SoR?  Changing that one thing would fix Instosis from being such a powerhouse.  (heck, it would make the deck unplayable)

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467067#msg467067
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 04:17:47 am »
The other problem I will discuss is the (I'm assuming) unintended effect by which multiple SoRs on the same creature allow even more skill uses/turn.  Spamming SoR on a time creature shouldn't let you use the ability more than twice in the same turn.  The card says 'time creatures may use their skill twice this turn'.  If you play a second SoR on a creature that has already used its skill twice this turn, why are we allowed to use it -another- two times from a second SoR?  Changing that one thing would fix Instosis from being such a powerhouse.  (heck, it would make the deck unplayable)
The deck would not be unplayable. It would merely be reduced to
3 10|5s the first turn with 1 more per turn and 1 more per turn with an SoR.
It would be balanced rather than too powerful.
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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467074#msg467074
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 04:31:45 am »
Actually trying this out, I haven't found it that impressive. Maybe because I didn't do enough trials or because the OTK combo clogged my hand or were at the bottom of the deck, but this is reliant on draws a lot more than instosis since there are no sundials for protection.

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467145#msg467145
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 07:30:52 am »
I don't think this works well after the nerf. No sundial protection is bad. But... I might be wrong.
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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467146#msg467146
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 07:33:12 am »
Don't think any of our SoBe decks work that great with nerf, since they relied on drawing out the entire deck in a few turns.

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg467236#msg467236
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 01:33:26 pm »
I think this kinda shows how OP Instosis is. SoBe might be a bit OP, but it's really in SN rushes and OTKs where it goes nuts.

I agree. It's not SoB that's OP so much as the Instosis combo is. The nerfs make it completely balanced IMO.

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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg469879#msg469879
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 10:35:25 pm »
Does still work with the SN nerf?
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Re: Brave Instosis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37209.msg469882#msg469882
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 10:36:06 pm »
Does still work with the SN nerf?
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