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Nesting Doll | Nesting Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg269871#msg269871
« on: February 13, 2011, 05:40:03 am »
NAME:
Nesting Doll
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
:light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5|5
TEXT:
:light :light :light :light : Separate
Generate a daughter creature with all values decreased by 1.
Can only be used once.
NAME:
Nesting Doll
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
:light
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6|6
TEXT:
:light :light :light :light  : Separate
Generate a daughter creature with all values decreased by 1.
Can only be used once.
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NOTES: [/color][/b]
Separate can only be used once (it disappear afterwards like Deja Vu skill).
It generate a "daughter" like in Mitosis which means the base version of the creature
(Including skill).
All values means all quanta costs, attack and health.
1|1 Nesting Doll | Nesting Doll come in play without the Separate skill.
SERIES: [/color][/b]
Dolls (like Voodoo doll)

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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg269873#msg269873
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 05:49:18 am »
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NOTES: Russian doll skill can only be used once (it disappear afterwards like Deja Vu skill).
Each new russian doll can generate a smaller (-1|-1) doll and each time it cost one less quanta.
SERIES: Weird dark dolls (like Voodoo doll)
Wow! This is a nice card.
1 card packing 21 damage per turn each.
Why Darkness?

Also I think this would work better if the unupped cost 5 for a 5|5 with an ability of 4 for a 4|4.
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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg269874#msg269874
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 05:51:28 am »
Epic idea. Might want to change the name to Nesting Doll. And change the effect to something like this..

"5 :darkness Separate : Generate a Nesting Doll with X|Y.  X is the attack of this creature -1 and Y is the health of this creature -1."

And if you ask me, It should also be a different element. Darkness and Aether get all of the interesting cards and Nesting Dolls don't seem so dark to me.

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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg269876#msg269876
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 05:53:37 am »
Epic idea. Might want to change the name to Nesting Doll. And change the effect to something like this..

"5 :darkness Separate : Generate a Nesting Doll with X|Y.  X is the attack of this creature -1 and Y is the health of this creature -1."

And if you ask me, It should also be a different element. Darkness and Aether get all of the interesting cards and Nesting Dolls don't seem so Dark to me.
I agree that this does not feel Dark. However I think the original ability is easier to balance rather than having to factor in blessing and chaos power.
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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg269906#msg269906
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 08:12:23 am »
Epic idea. Might want to change the name to Nesting Doll. And change the effect to something like this..

"5 :darkness Separate : Generate a Nesting Doll with X|Y.  X is the attack of this creature -1 and Y is the health of this creature -1."

And if you ask me, It should also be a different element. Darkness and Aether get all of the interesting cards and Nesting Dolls don't seem so dark to me.
I agree. Perhaps it could work with life, the ability and card just seem to fit in my eyes for some reason.

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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270085#msg270085
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 04:44:35 pm »
Why Darkness?
-Russian Dolls hide others... and I think all the hide stuff is for Darkness xD
-In Darkness you already have a doll (Voodoo Doll) so, unless you think you should have only one kind of card (like scorpions) by elements, It could fit IMO.
-I don't know which other one could fit better?  :D
 :aether It doesn't Duplicate/Make an illusion/Summon from a parallel universe other Dolls...
 :air Unless you use a catapult IT DOESN'T FLY XD
 :death Dolls never dies^^
 :earth It fit better for golems... Russian dolls are wooden figures most of the time.
 :entropy Just NO.
 :fire It can burn easily but it's not the point.
 :gravity NO WAY.
 :life It's not a living creature, it's dolls.
 :light Well ok, this one could fit IMO, when you seperate you put a doll to the light in some way. Furthermore, according to wikipedia, there is Church-themed nesting dolls which fit with angels.
 :time It isn't a Deja Vu like, it doesn't duplicate. Separate dolls take times but not that much...
 :water No.
 :rainbow As it is dolls I have thought "Other" is the best but with super nova it's OP.



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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270092#msg270092
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 04:58:31 pm »
This is actually one of the better card ideas I've seen.
 :life, :light or :time would fit, though.
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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270100#msg270100
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 05:08:06 pm »
 :aether [Psionics and other Dimensions] No. The doll is not otherworldly
 :air [Freedom] Perhaps but Dolls are not Airborne so no.
 :darkness [Uses the opponent's resources] No. It does not.
 :earth [Strength] Could work if the dolls were made of clay. <-- Best option
 :entropy [Thermodynamics] No. It remains too structured for Entropy
 :fire [Destruction] No. It does not destroy nor is it fragile.
 :gravity [Structure and Resilience] No. Although resilient it does not stay structured.
 :life [Growth] Perhaps but Dolls are not living so no.
 :light [Ignore opponent] Perhaps. It does ignore the opponent and due to its resilience it will partially ignore CC. Also it is N|N which is a pattern in Light. <-- Second best option
 :time [Time manipulation] No. It is in the present not the past.
 :water [Distorted reflection of other elements. Synergy] No. It is mono orientated and not aquatic or amphibious

 :earth followed by :light.
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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270124#msg270124
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 05:28:49 pm »
Also I think this would work better if the unupped cost 5 for a 5|5 with an ability of 4 for a 4|4.
Yes i agree, I'm going to change unupped to 5 :darkness for 5|5 with skill 4 :darkness for 4|4 and upped same cost but with +1|+1.

Epic idea. Might want to change the name to Nesting Doll. And change the effect to something like this..

"5 :darkness Separate : Generate a Nesting Doll with X|Y.  X is the attack of this creature -1 and Y is the health of this creature -1."

And if you ask me, It should also be a different element. Darkness and Aether get all of the interesting cards and Nesting Dolls don't seem so dark to me.
Ok about the name, Russians have nothing to do in Elements The Game^^ I'm going to change to Nesting doll.

I'm sorry but I can't agree about the skill, it doesn't duplicate with -1|-1, it generate a X|X doll depending of the original size. Even if you bless your doll and get a 8|8 or a 5|2 because of a RoF the skill is the same and give always a 4|4 doll. You should think a nesting doll "protect" the other dolls inside^^

I agree. Perhaps it could work with life, the ability and card just seem to fit in my eyes for some reason.
I'm sorry but as you can see in my "Why darkness?" reply I doesn't think Life could fit. Nesting dolls aren't living creature and Life already has Mitosis in development...



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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270585#msg270585
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 03:36:07 am »
I agree that nesting doll is a better name than Russian doll.  After all, they are the same thing.  As for the element...  uhh... maybe entropy?  The entropy of the universe is always expanding and multiplying JUST LIKE THESE DOLLS!  Cool mechanic though.

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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270589#msg270589
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 03:51:57 am »
I guess Light can work alright as it would create two opposing dolls.


Frankly creature multiplication is clearly a Life element's skill. Firefly Queen, mitosis etc use  :life... I like the idea of having dolls in opposite elements though.

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Re: Russian Doll | Russian Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg270612#msg270612
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2011, 04:21:17 am »
The term is 'matriochka  doll'. :) 

I like the idea, but it should be 'create a new doll with the same stats -1|-1'.  It should also start smaller (a la Deja Vu) and beg to be buffed.  I agree with the choice of :darkness , thematically.
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