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[Amilir]

Read this thread and you'll see a few.

I did.  I didn't.

Why is this bad design if there are so few synergy cards

Read the second problem.  There isn't much synergy, so it doesn't really break that bit of advice.  That was Bloodshadow's idea however.

people don't have to tap on non-existent synergies in order to make new cards....

No, it's just what I said:  Bad design.

I've got too many n00bs come and suggest ways to nerf this, and I'm tired of it. Really, if this card is OP, then it shouldn't be in the Armory.

Petition for a rule:  "Nothing in the armory is OP so don't suggest it"
Better, don't.  Voting sadly only asks for your favorite idea.  Popularity is unrelated to balance.  The idea that all popular ideas are balanced is ridiculous.  Don't use it as an argument.

O RLY? Why did Zanz make Gargoyle then, when there is already synergy?

Zanz doesn't always follow basic design either.  The answer is pretty obvious though:  Zanz wanted a gargoyle card.  What elements would you make a gargoyle?  Earth obviously, but earth already has a bunch of basic attackers.  The other element it can fit in is darkness, and the only simple attacker darkness has is a dragon, so it works well.  Gargoyle both helped balance and put in a typical fantasy creature logically.

[Bloodshadow]

Really, show me a place this works better than a fractal.

What gave you the impression that this is meant to replace Fractal? This card saves deck space (it can potentially replace 6 Photons and 6 Sparks), and it can easily be used together with Fractal. This can also be used in a mutation deck for endless mutation fodder. If I decrease the cost to 3 | 4 , then I'm pretty sure it'll be used a lot more often.

Zanz doesn't always follow basic design either.

So even Zanz is not good enough for you? Then I have nothing else to say.

[Fallower]

Hmm, I doubt bad design is tapping on existing synergies, to me, bad design is when a card has exactly the same usage as another card, such as maybe cockatrice and giant frog. Cards with the same synergies aren't bad, they just make the synergy stronger, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for usage:

Hehe. I still like this concept. I'd use it to keep my Bone Wall alive in a stall, and get Skeletons to Mutate. Not OP in the slightest, but very fun.

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I am not a good deck builder, but ths one is definitely interesting.

And don't link every new cards with the almighty Fractal. It'd be slower than using just RoL or BoL really.

I can see this working well with ROL hope...

[Amilir]

BS> No.  Zanz is not enough for me.  He is not, in fact, a god.  He is human.  In case you don't remember, he also thought two turn sundial was balanced.  I am sure, however, that he would agree with my statement.  It is of only minor importance, but that does not make it any less true.

This is a puny creature generator, something fractal already excels at.  As such, there are very few instances where you would want one over fractal.  It would suck in RoL hope.  All other uses for it are as a relatively cheap permanent based creature generator.  Nothing exceptional, and as I said in my other points, rather poorly made.  How it got into the armory is beyond me.

[miniwally]

BS> No.  Zanz is not enough for me.  He is not, in fact, a god.  He is human.  In case you don't remember, he also thought two turn sundial was balanced.  I am sure, however, that he would agree with my statement.  It is of only minor importance, but that does not make it any less true.

This is a puny creature generator, something fractal already excels at.  As such, there are very few instances where you would want one over fractal.  It would suck in RoL hope.  All other uses for it are as a relatively cheap permanent based creature generator.  Nothing exceptional, and as I said in my other points, rather poorly made.  How it got into the armory is beyond me.

Why come on a thread to specifically have a go at someone over something they've created, I don't get why people do this unless if they specifically hate the person or they said something which personally insults them. I think what your saying here is quite derogatory and I don't get why you can't except that it made it into the armoury even if you don't think it deserves the place there is no need to come on the thread and insult the idea.

If you want to say it's not very good then suggest possible improvements to it, if you see no improvements that you consider good enough then there's no need to post is there.

[Higurashi]

Basically, this could work with a substantially lower cost. It got into the armory by having a concept that most people like. That's what the Card Ideas and Art forum is mainly used for. Things like cost aren't that important for this purpose.
It's always sad to see someone who has gotten a bunch of karma and recognition for his decks behave like an ass, while helpful people of the community get none. Such a bizarre contrast.

[Bloodshadow]

This is a puny creature generator, something fractal already excels at.  As such, there are very few instances where you would want one over fractal.

Facepalm.

Why not use BOTH?! Didn't occur to you, I suppose. When two things occupy the same niche, they don't have to compete against each other; they can work together. Using this and Fractal together would save plenty of deck space.

As Miniwally said, why are you posting here? If your sole purpose is to say "this card sucks and should be destroyed", then you might as well not post. Another thing I do not like is your tone. Keep in mind that anything and everything you say is your opinion only, not absolute truth. If you think this card is bad, it does not mean it's objectively bad.

I'm lowering the cost to 3 | 4 . Making the new images right now.

[Amilir]

BS> No.  Zanz is not enough for me.  He is not, in fact, a god.  He is human.  In case you don't remember, he also thought two turn sundial was balanced.  I am sure, however, that he would agree with my statement.  It is of only minor importance, but that does not make it any less true.

This is a puny creature generator, something fractal already excels at.  As such, there are very few instances where you would want one over fractal.  It would suck in RoL hope.  All other uses for it are as a relatively cheap permanent based creature generator.  Nothing exceptional, and as I said in my other points, rather poorly made.  How it got into the armory is beyond me.

Why come on a thread to specifically have a go at someone over something they've created, I don't get why people do this unless if they specifically hate the person or they said something which personally insults them. I think what your saying here is quite derogatory and I don't get why you can't except that it made it into the armoury even if you don't think it deserves the place there is no need to come on the thread and insult the idea.

If you want to say it's not very good then suggest possible improvements to it, if you see no improvements that you consider good enough then there's no need to post is there.

I have the bad habit of posting only when sufficiently provoked.  Bloodshadow's order not to consider this OP did that for me.  From there, I added my opinions about the card itself.  I did include multiple points about why specifically I thought it was bad.  People presumably look at cards in here as good examples of design.  As such, ignoring it is a poor option.  I intended those statements for other potential cards.

Now, as for help to the card itself, I did have a purpose and it has been achieved.  Bloodshadow has buffed the card to a more balanced state. 

[Bloodshadow]

Bloodshadow's order not to consider this OP did that for me.

Have you read the thread? Almost every single person who posted here suggested ways to nerf this card. I got annoyed, so I put up the big red text. No, I will not remove it; now that I've lowered the cost, even more n00bs will come and cry OP if not for the red text.

[ddevans96]

I really like the card. While it can be powerful in the right deck, so can almost any card. Nice idea, and great to see some history behind the name as well.

[AnonymousRevival]

I agree.

[EvaRia]

Yup!
Now that the cost is fixed, I would easily use this card myself