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Title: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 24, 2011, 12:05:17 am

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/musicman784/ElectricLizardV2.png)	(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/musicman784/LightningLizardV2.png)
NAME: Electric Lizard ELEMENT: Life COST: 6 :life TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|2 TEXT: :aether :aether : Shock Deal 4 damage to target creature.	NAME: Lightning Lizard ELEMENT: Life COST: 5 :life TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|2 TEXT: :aether :aether : Shock Deal 4 damage to target creature.

ART: Kamietsu IDEA: jmdt NOTES: So basically a weak :life card that is expensive and has damage on a stick.  Trying to make a legitimate :life / :aether card. SERIES: N/A

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Newbiecake on February 24, 2011, 12:13:00 am

Huh. Looks good. Weak, but strong at the same time.

I don't see how this belongs to  :life though. Mono would do this card one better IMO.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Wolfunit on February 24, 2011, 01:13:53 am

I see your moving onto fusion cards, well i like the idea as Noobiecakes said weak stats and easily killable but great ability plus the cost should balance what the card does. Erm what other changes you might be thinking of for this card jimmy if you wanted to edit it?

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: EmeraldTiger on February 24, 2011, 03:12:16 am

Hurray for  :aether/ :life

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 24, 2011, 03:25:48 am

Quote from: EmeraldTiger on February 24, 2011, 03:12:16 am

Hurray for  :aether/ :life

You inspired me.  8)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on February 24, 2011, 03:35:29 am

why lizard?
why not eel?

oh wait, nm... eel is water-based...

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: LongDono on February 24, 2011, 03:57:46 am

Maybe delay anything that eats it? Makes sense.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 24, 2011, 04:06:32 am

Boingo had an interesting idea.  This card could possibly kill under water creatures.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: OldTrees on February 24, 2011, 04:55:21 am

I have been summoned.

This is a good card idea. (a little on the late side considering Warden but it could coexist as an alternate version of one use of guard.)

Very good job creating a duo card thematically here.
Lizards are creatures of jungles so the name fits thematically as Life
Shocking is mechanically part of Aether as lightning
Luckily electric lizards already were a fictional creature and thus were able to tie the two elements together rather then being better as a mono aether card.

Nice art to boot.

Now on to mechanics:
The upgrade is 1hp->3hp. Under my old theory this is an unacceptable upgrade but if the casting cost were to decrease by 1 :life as well it would be great. [New theory is still barely started and thus silent]

The ability is an improved snipe [+3] on a creature[+3->+2] with a high end expensive cost[+2->+1] in a second element[+1->+0]. It is also of the elements that get a -1 cost reduction weirdly enough [+0->-1].
This would make me think that it deserves a casting cost equal to stat value -1|-2.

However the ability is a versatile ability as very powerful if it enters the game fast. As such it would be best if this card cost around 5 :life|4 :life or 5 :life|5 :life.
To solve this I would suggest increasing the size/ferocity of the lizard.

Suggestion: Make it a 5|6 -> 6|6 for 5 :life|5 :life. Maybe even 6|6 -> 7|7 for 6 :life|6 :life

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Werdbooty on February 24, 2011, 04:02:53 pm

Maybe I'm missing something but the ability cost just seems too expensive...I understand we're comparing to Owl's Eye but isn't this just a milder form of Lightning?

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 24, 2011, 04:14:11 pm

Quote from: Werdbooty on February 24, 2011, 04:02:53 pm

Maybe I'm missing something but the ability cost just seems too expensive...I understand we're comparing to Owl's Eye but isn't this just a milder form of Lightning?

this is a none rare, non animated version of OE with a bit more punch.  This card is very violent. and as such must be kept expensive anless we neuter the ability a bit.


I think I settled on 6/4 for unupped and upped with a 7 and 5 cost for balance purposes.  4 hp is critical to make the thing killable. so a 6/4 5 cost life critter with CC would fit nicely along with charger, destroyer, gargoyle, etc.

Potentially I can make the creature target a random opponents creature, or do say 2 direct damage to yourself. to lower the ability cost.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: wizelsnarf on February 24, 2011, 11:23:04 pm

Drop the shock to :aether :aether. Next give it really weak hp but better attack - this makes it fragile which I think was what you wanted but allows it to be more balanced.

Stats like 4|1 and 5|1.

That is just my opinion....


PS I LOVE THE ART!

(Best part of this card)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 24, 2011, 11:39:59 pm

Quote from: wizelsnarf on February 24, 2011, 11:23:04 pm

Drop the shock to :aether :aether. Next give it really weak hp but better attack - this makes it fragile which I think was what you wanted but allows it to be more balanced.

Stats like 4|1 and 5|1.

That is just my opinion....


PS I LOVE THE ART!

(Best part of this card)

Just what I was thinking after a chat pow wow.  The optimal stats we came up with was 4/2.  2 hp to make it insta-die withough quint and 4 attack to raise the cost, but not make it uber with adrenaline.  Considering snipe is a mono effect for 2 :air, this more powerful duo effect makes sense at 2 :aether.  Now the kicker is cost.  I'm thinking sonething like 6-> 5 or 6-> 4.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: wizelsnarf on February 25, 2011, 02:07:13 am

6 :life ->4 :life is a big jump that I am not fond of. I guess you mean this if the stats etc stay the same. 6->5 seems better.

Unless you want to make it similar to "micro" cards and drop the stats but also drop the cost dramatically. ie the upped would cost 3 for a 2|2 creature...

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on February 27, 2011, 10:02:00 pm

Quote from: wizelsnarf on February 25, 2011, 02:07:13 am

6 :life ->4 :life is a big jump that I am not fond of. I guess you mean this if the stats etc stay the same. 6->5 seems better.

Unless you want to make it similar to "micro" cards and drop the stats but also drop the cost dramatically. ie the upped would cost 3 for a 2|2 creature...

Micro is definately a bad idea.  6->5 is probably about right since I plan to keep the stats the same.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: vrt on March 01, 2011, 11:29:45 pm

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/verticae/artapproved.png)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Kuroaitou on March 01, 2011, 11:34:55 pm

Quote from: vrt on March 01, 2011, 11:29:45 pm

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/verticae/artapproved.png)

That is one sexy stamp. :D

Side note: I keep on thinking that the ability should cost :air, but I realize that I only think that way is because of its name similarity to Shockwave. :P Nice job jmdt!

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Isei on March 24, 2011, 07:41:50 pm

Damage on a creature like this needs to be done.  Great idea.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Wolfunit on March 27, 2011, 06:46:40 pm

Yup i love the artwork on this card also gratz on reaching Lv2- Forge jimmy. :D

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Kuroaitou on March 27, 2011, 06:49:59 pm

Quote from: wolfunit on March 27, 2011, 06:46:40 pm

Yup i love the artwork on this card also gratz on reaching Lv2- Forge jimmy. :D

...

While I appreciate and understand the support wolfunit, I hope that's not the SOLE reason you voted for jmdt's card. >_>

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: p7p7p7 on April 04, 2011, 06:09:35 am

i think this card  is going to the next level

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: EmeraldTiger on April 04, 2011, 06:20:37 pm

I am glad to have inspired this.  :aether :life forever

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: The_Mormegil on April 04, 2011, 06:39:38 pm

I'd love to try out this one for FG farming. No kidding, you're missing on PC, but it might even work: Empathic Bonds, Mitosis, Phase Shield, Emerald and Spine Carapaces, you have lots of possibilities.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: TimerClock14 on April 04, 2011, 06:41:29 pm

I gotta say, I'm really loving this card. :)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on April 04, 2011, 07:17:44 pm

Quote from: The Mormegil on April 04, 2011, 06:39:38 pm

I'd love to try out this one for FG farming. No kidding, you're missing on PC, but it might even work: Empathic Bonds, Mitosis, Phase Shield, Emerald and Spine Carapaces, you have lots of possibilities.

With extreme healing, you can actually defeat the need for PC (sometimes)

The combination of this, quint, mitosis and jade dragon would make a strong attacking force with bond and phase shiels for the stalling.  It could work.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: The_Mormegil on April 04, 2011, 07:26:19 pm

I wouldn't even bother with Jade Dragon, actually. 4 attack creatures are good enough - if mass-spammed - to take out most opponents. The damage cap with Mitosis would be 92, 97 with Electrocutor. Not enough for a 2HK, but possibly enough to kill most gods.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on April 07, 2011, 08:58:10 pm

Lizard made the armory, yay.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: EmeraldTiger on April 07, 2011, 11:13:11 pm

8) Congratulations!!!! 8)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Funkyvenom on April 09, 2011, 06:09:02 pm

I don't see how aether and life would go together, and if there isn't already some synergy, I don't see this card getting played at all.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Tea is good on April 12, 2011, 11:52:32 pm

fractal frogs is what I know. I like this because it allows aether, which has always needed healing, and life which has always needed shields to come together in one deck. Plus, they both gain repeatable CC.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Opsinis on April 29, 2011, 11:14:16 pm

Looks great! I have voted for it!

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: artimies7 on April 29, 2011, 11:18:31 pm

ME GIVES NOODLES TO SHOCK LIZ!

This is my official approval. We need more uncommon synergies.

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Tyhaux2 on May 03, 2011, 03:36:17 am

sick card... it would go into my deck :O

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on May 26, 2011, 08:52:17 pm

Quote from: Tyhaux2 on May 03, 2011, 03:36:17 am

sick card... it would go into my deck :O

Mine too. ;)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: The Chosen One on March 22, 2012, 08:19:33 pm

very nice :)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: jmdt on March 24, 2012, 08:05:14 pm

Quote from: The Chosen One on March 22, 2012, 08:19:33 pm

very nice :)

Thanks :)

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: Ikerpeta on April 17, 2012, 12:38:27 pm

Interesting card to fractal or make inmortal :P

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: blarp on May 12, 2012, 08:50:29 pm

There's nothing wrong with this card, not sure how useful it will be... :P

Title: Re: Electric Lizard | Lightning Lizard
Post by: mildlyfrightenedboy on May 12, 2012, 10:44:23 pm

Maybe, having a strong CC creature would make Fractal + Empathic Bond more popular.