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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238801#msg238801
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 05:30:18 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 04:46:01 pm
by 5) I was saying that you should leave it as able to target the self and cause EM.

While you may have intended this to be the opposite of Miracle, in actuality it is anti healing [ :darkness :life :light :water]. Darkness and Light are both out of the running because they heal, Water has minor healing and this effect doesn't fit Fire very much. In conclusion Death is the best Element.
I disagree. Darkness fits better because it is messing around with your opponents HP.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238803#msg238803
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 05:32:53 pm »
Quote from: Zblader on January 02, 2011, 05:30:18 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 04:46:01 pm
by 5) I was saying that you should leave it as able to target the self and cause EM.

While you may have intended this to be the opposite of Miracle, in actuality it is anti healing [ :darkness :life :light :water]. Darkness and Light are both out of the running because they heal, Water has minor healing and this effect doesn't fit Fire very much. In conclusion Death is the best Element.
I disagree. Darkness fits better because it is messing around with your opponents HP.
Not everything that messes with your opponent's HP is Darkness.
Darkness uses the opponent's resources against them so reversing healing would be a Darkness antihealing measure.
Death is decay and thus poison and reducing max HP both fit in Death.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238808#msg238808
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2011, 05:38:45 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 05:32:53 pm
Quote from: Zblader on January 02, 2011, 05:30:18 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 04:46:01 pm
by 5) I was saying that you should leave it as able to target the self and cause EM.

While you may have intended this to be the opposite of Miracle, in actuality it is anti healing [ :darkness :life :light :water]. Darkness and Light are both out of the running because they heal, Water has minor healing and this effect doesn't fit Fire very much. In conclusion Death is the best Element.
I disagree. Darkness fits better because it is messing around with your opponents HP.
Not everything that messes with your opponent's HP is Darkness.
Darkness uses the opponent's resources against them so reversing healing would be a Darkness antihealing measure.
Death is decay and thus poison and reducing max HP both fit in Death.
Point proved.  Card should be :death then.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238831#msg238831
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2011, 06:19:03 pm »
don't forget that  :entropy and  :gravity have a little heal too.

btw   i'm still wanna make this card as   :darkness   ....     ^-^
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238839#msg238839
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 06:29:01 pm »
Quote from: karis on January 02, 2011, 06:19:03 pm
don't forget that  :entropy and  :gravity have a little heal too.
I don't know the  :entropy and  :gravity healing you are referring to. (Mutation and Gravity Pull?)
btw   i'm still wanna make this card as   :darkness   ....     ^-^
I would strongly urge you to let the themes of the Elements dictate the element of this card rather than personal preference.

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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238845#msg238845
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 06:33:53 pm »
In my opinion, it was associated with Darkness too :

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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238862#msg238862
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 06:54:48 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 06:29:01 pm
Quote from: karis on January 02, 2011, 06:19:03 pm
don't forget that  :entropy and  :gravity have a little heal too.
I don't know the  :entropy and  :gravity healing you are referring to. (Mutation and Gravity Pull?)
btw   i'm still wanna make this card as   :darkness   ....     ^-^
I would strongly urge you to let the themes of the Elements dictate the element of this card rather than personal preference.
Antimatter and Black Hole, respectively.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238867#msg238867
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 06:57:57 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 06:29:01 pm
Quote from: karis on January 02, 2011, 06:19:03 pm
don't forget that  :entropy and  :gravity have a little heal too.
I don't know the  :entropy and  :gravity healing you are referring to. (Mutation and Gravity Pull?)
btw   i'm still wanna make this card as   :darkness   ....     ^-^
I would strongly urge you to let the themes of the Elements dictate the element of this card rather than personal preference.
This clearly fits in the theme of darkness.  You shouldn't let your own idea of what cards should be restrict what cards can be.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238872#msg238872
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2011, 07:02:26 pm »
Quote from: Gl1tch on January 02, 2011, 06:57:57 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on January 02, 2011, 06:29:01 pm
Quote from: karis on January 02, 2011, 06:19:03 pm
don't forget that  :entropy and  :gravity have a little heal too.
I don't know the  :entropy and  :gravity healing you are referring to. (Mutation and Gravity Pull?)
btw   i'm still wanna make this card as   :darkness   ....     ^-^
I would strongly urge you to let the themes of the Elements dictate the element of this card rather than personal preference.
This clearly fits in the theme of darkness.  You shouldn't let your own idea of what cards should be restrict what cards can be.
The quote seems to be misinterpreted.
I have read 2 threads (which I confused with this thread while posting) recently that had non thematical reasons for wanting a card to be of a certain element. I was clairifing my position that theme rather than any preference (including my own) should carry the day. If this card is thematically Dark then it should be Dark.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238880#msg238880
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2011, 07:10:30 pm »
a serious nerf on  miracle, maybe too much.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg238904#msg238904
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2011, 07:51:35 pm »
I see this as an anti-Miracle and anti-Stone Skin all in one.
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Re: El Ca Rim | Malicer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18732.msg239031#msg239031
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2011, 10:02:33 pm »
Quote from: Tea is good on January 02, 2011, 07:10:30 pm
a serious nerf on  miracle, maybe too much.
Quote from: EmeraldTiger on January 02, 2011, 07:51:35 pm
I see this as an anti-Miracle and anti-Stone Skin all in one.
This is why I suggested making it a permanent, incase nobody read that part of my post.  Making it vulnerable to PC will allow the effect to be reversible, and thus not nerfing Miracle that badly.
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