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Re: Byakko | Byakko https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33535.msg1087801#msg1087801
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2013, 06:42:21 am »
Really liked the card hability and art, but 7-2 and 9-2 are status OP for only 6 :light, I'm surprised to see a card with OP status here in Lv3.
It dies to nearly any CC. Also, consider archangel, which is 7/7 for 6 :light.
If you compare with seraphim byakko is OP, also if compare with pegasus
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2013, 06:56:36 am »
GotP has nearly identical stats for a nearly identical cost.

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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2013, 07:18:15 am »
Really liked the card hability and art, but 7-2 and 9-2 are status OP for only 6 :light, I'm surprised to see a card with OP status here in Lv3.
It dies to nearly any CC. Also, consider archangel, which is 7/7 for 6 :light.
If you compare with seraphim byakko is OP, also if compare with pegasus
Sure, same if you compare it to photon.
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2013, 07:26:01 am »
ok then, but it is not characteristic of light creatures with high attack and low defense
and upgraded version should cost 7 :light (gotp up is 7 :time)
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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2013, 11:08:10 am »
I agree with Vangelios. This card is way too strong, and I'm surprised by people not seeing that.

I'd go as far as saying that 4/4 or 5/2 would be the correct stats for this card for this price. (Remember great synergies with buffs)

The idea is cool.

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Re: Byakko | Byakko https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33535.msg1087855#msg1087855
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2013, 04:21:20 pm »
I agree with Vangelios. This card is way too strong, and I'm surprised by people not seeing that.
It is indeed strong, but why do you think it's TOO strong, marsu?

ok then, but it is not characteristic of light creatures with high attack and low defense
and upgraded version should cost 7 :light (gotp up is 7 :time)
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« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2013, 05:03:21 pm »
It is indeed strong, but why do you think it's TOO strong, marsu?

The stats are already very good. I would kill for a 7/2 vanilla for 6  :life - and Life already has a bonus for creatures, in contrast to Light.

The effect on the other hand is ridicoulusly strong. If you played a mono Light with 6 of these vs a standard mono Aether with 6 Dims, you'd heal yourself for almost as much as the opponent could damage you per turn, not to speak of the fact that it's max HP and thus has an insane synergy with the in-element Miracle. Oh, and speaking of synergy, also Blessing.
In short, the effect is way to good for a creature who would still be useful if it was vanilla to have.

Your other question probably deserves a thread of its own, but in short: Each element having weaknesses and strengths, a character, a feeling - that's not a small part of why this game is so great. Take it away, and the enjoyment of this game suffers. I also don't really see your problem to be honest, because you can still have innovative stuff (see this creature's ability) or even abilities that don't directly fit a certain element, but have a fitting drawback (See the great 'Grateful Oak' for example).

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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2013, 05:32:45 pm »
If you play against monoAether, what's to say it won't get Lightning Bolted or Lobo'd?

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2013, 06:03:51 pm »
following this reasoning a lot of cards are UP
for example Vampire would as status, 7-2? (If you play against mono aether)
how many combos you do with gotp? only one with nightmare
how many combos you can do with Byakko? a lot.

I really liked the card, but statuses is somewhat above, this only my suggestion of equilibrium
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« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2013, 06:29:38 pm »
following this reasoning a lot of cards are UP
for example Vampire would as status, 7-2? (If you play against mono aether)
how many combos you do with gotp? only one with nightmare
how many combos you can do with Byakko? a lot.

I really liked the card, but statuses is somewhat above, this only my suggestion of equilibrium
Well, then you suggestion is noted and swiftly dismissed. There's already been much discussion about this. Necroposting to troll isn't a good idea anyways...

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« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2013, 06:57:30 pm »
Noted and swiftly dismissed ... oh well, if lv3 is example of balanced,
and a card with 6 :light upgraded with status is 9-2 is balanced (based gotp and mono aether), go ahead, we have a creature with greater attack with 6 :underworld
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2013, 11:39:19 pm »
I also don't really see your problem to be honest
I've seen too much of it in my time here for my liking :(
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