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VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg483378#msg483378
« on: April 19, 2012, 02:46:28 am »
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg486940#msg486940
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 03:03:13 am »
Pulled this from our chat to make things more clear.
If Jenkar approves, we'll add this in. If anyone sees a major screwup, tell me.
I might tweak some things when I can see all of the decks and spares together.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Vault Sketch = 265 cards.

    Rainbow - Rush-Domin (Grabbow) OR Domin-Break (UG Dial) This has 44 cards that cover 2 decks.

    4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 55t 590 590 590 590 5c1 5ia 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5og 5og 5ol 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5pu 5pu 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5ur 61q 624 8pm

    1 Lycanthrope, 6 Nova, 1 Arsenic, 1 Gravity Pull, 4 Graboids, 1 Forest Spirit, 1 Purify, 3 Wind Pillar, 6 Dragonfly, 2 Fog Shield, 1 Owl's Eye, 6 Unstable Gas, 2 Air Pendulum, 6 Sundial, 1 Vampire Stiletto, 1 Lightning, 1 Silence

    Winged Titans - Domin-Break

    55k 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 561 561 561 576 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pl

    1 Gravity Pillar, 6 Titan, 3 Catapult, 1 Gravity Pendulum, 5 Flying Weapon, 4 Wings, 10 Air Pendulum

    LS Drags - Domin

    5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5og 5og 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5uu 5uu 5uu 5v1 5v1 7mv 7mv 8pt

    8 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 2 Fog Shield, 7 Air Pendulum, 2 Steal, 2 Vampire Stiletto, 3 Liquid Shadow, 2 Nightmare

    Dim PUGons - Break-Stall

    5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 63a 63a 63a 7mv 7mv 8pu

    6 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 4 Air Pendulum, 3 Aether Pillar, 3 Parallel Universe, 6 Dimensional Shield, 1 Fractal, 3 Aether Pendulum

    Bonewall - Break-Domin

    52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7n5 7n5 8pk

    6 Poison, 5 Bonewall, 6 Shockwave, 12 Air Pendulum, 2 Owl's Eye

    Lightstall - Stall (41)

    5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5og 5og 5og 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7k2 7k2 7k2 8pq

    6 Sanctuary, 8 Wind Pillar, 3 Fog Shield, 4 Flying Weapon, 5 Owl's Eye, 12 Air Pendulum, 3 Miracle

    Immo - Rush

    5f2 5f2 5f7 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5od 5od 5od 5oo 5oo 5oo 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mt 7mt 7mt 8po

    2 Crimson Dragon, 1 Fahrenheit, 6 Immolation, 6 Lava Golem, 6 Dragonfly, 3 Wings, 6 Air Pendulum

    Entropy - Domin

    4vd 4vd 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5og 5og 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mv 7mv 7mv 8pj

    2 Maxwell's Demon, 2 Discord, 2 Antimatter, 7 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 2 Fog Shield, 3 Shockwave, 8 Air Pendulum


    Grabbow

    1 - Momentum. Good against heavy shield decks.

    1 - Momentum. Gives it a shot against highly defensive decks.

    1 - UG. Better than OE against heavy shield decks.

    UG Dial

    1 - Pandebonium. Handles mass creature decks...kinda.


    LS

    1 - Steal. Dimshield decks.

    1 - Nightmare. Fractal decks.

    Dims

    1 - PU. Replaces Fractal when we don't need it.

    Immo Rush

    2 - 2 UG + Pend ~ 3 Wings.

    4 - 3 Deflag + 1 Crimson Drag ~ 4 Golems.

    1 - 1 OE ~ 1 Wings.

    Entropy Domin

    1 Discord.

    2 MaxDemons.

    2 Antimatters.

    Other Suggestions

    6 Reverse Times.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2012, 07:52:02 am by Jenkar »
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487115#msg487115
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 07:52:17 am »
Pulled this from our chat to make things more clear.
If Jenkar approves, we'll add this in. If anyone sees a major screwup, tell me.
I might tweak some things when I can see all of the decks and spares together.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Vault Sketch = 265 cards.

    Rainbow - Rush-Domin (Grabbow) OR Domin-Break (UG Dial) This has 44 cards that cover 2 decks.

    4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 55t 590 590 590 590 5c1 5ia 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5og 5og 5ol 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5pu 5pu 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5ur 61q 624 8pm

    1 Lycanthrope, 6 Nova, 1 Arsenic, 1 Gravity Pull, 4 Graboids, 1 Forest Spirit, 1 Purify, 3 Wind Pillar, 6 Dragonfly, 2 Fog Shield, 1 Owl's Eye, 6 Unstable Gas, 2 Air Pendulum, 6 Sundial, 1 Vampire Stiletto, 1 Lightning, 1 Silence

    Winged Titans - Domin-Break

    55k 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 561 561 561 576 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pl

    1 Gravity Pillar, 6 Titan, 3 Catapult, 1 Gravity Pendulum, 5 Flying Weapon, 4 Wings, 10 Air Pendulum

    LS Drags - Domin

    5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5og 5og 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5uu 5uu 5uu 5v1 5v1 7mv 7mv 8pt

    8 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 2 Fog Shield, 7 Air Pendulum, 2 Steal, 2 Vampire Stiletto, 3 Liquid Shadow, 2 Nightmare

    Dim PUGons - Break-Stall

    5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 63a 63a 63a 7mv 7mv 8pu

    6 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 4 Air Pendulum, 3 Aether Pillar, 3 Parallel Universe, 6 Dimensional Shield, 1 Fractal, 3 Aether Pendulum

    Bonewall - Break-Domin

    52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7n5 7n5 8pk

    6 Poison, 5 Bonewall, 6 Shockwave, 12 Air Pendulum, 2 Owl's Eye

    Lightstall - Stall (41)

    5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5og 5og 5og 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7k2 7k2 7k2 8pq

    6 Sanctuary, 8 Wind Pillar, 3 Fog Shield, 4 Flying Weapon, 5 Owl's Eye, 12 Air Pendulum, 3 Miracle

    Immo - Rush

    5f2 5f2 5f7 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5od 5od 5od 5oo 5oo 5oo 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mt 7mt 7mt 8po

    2 Crimson Dragon, 1 Fahrenheit, 6 Immolation, 6 Lava Golem, 6 Dragonfly, 3 Wings, 6 Air Pendulum

    Entropy - Domin

    4vd 4vd 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5og 5og 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mv 7mv 7mv 8pj

    2 Maxwell's Demon, 2 Discord, 2 Antimatter, 7 Wind Pillar, 4 Azure Dragon, 2 Fog Shield, 3 Shockwave, 8 Air Pendulum


    Grabbow

    1 - Momentum. Good against heavy shield decks.

    1 - Momentum. Gives it a shot against highly defensive decks.

    1 - UG. Better than OE against heavy shield decks.

    UG Dial

    1 - Pandebonium. Handles mass creature decks...kinda.


    LS

    1 - Steal. Dimshield decks.

    1 - Nightmare. Fractal decks.

    Dims

    1 - PU. Replaces Fractal when we don't need it.

    Immo Rush

    2 - 2 UG + Pend ~ 3 Wings.

    4 - 3 Deflag + 1 Crimson Drag ~ 4 Golems.

    1 - 1 OE ~ 1 Wings.

    Entropy Domin

    1 Discord.

    2 MaxDemons.

    2 Antimatters.

    Other Suggestions

    6 Reverse Times.
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k, with everything we got 2 cards too many. What should we remove?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2012, 09:53:09 am by Jenkar »
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487157#msg487157
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2012, 10:52:35 am »
Thanks. I took out a Maxwell's Demon and Antimatter. The original only uses 2 of each, so we won't often need 4 demons or 4 antimatters.
I think our vault is fine, but I'll come back to it in about 10 hours or so.

If anyone notices anything they think isn't right or could be improved, go ahead and speak up. I'll consider the suggestions and see if they will help.

Also, I seem to get some error code when I quick reply. If that is happening to anyone else, you can post through regular replay.
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487161#msg487161
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 11:04:46 am »
Good.
Straight from chat on ugdials: silence was a dead card during all testing.
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487197#msg487197
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 01:02:53 pm »
All looks ok. That silence looks useless but lets keep it for good luck charm.

Shouldnt we feed all those deck to deck compliance before submitions?

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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487212#msg487212
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 01:53:23 pm »
Wow. Thanks to annamall, we catch pugons

As illegal. Needs moar air.
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487268#msg487268
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 04:44:50 pm »
Thanks for that catch. I can rewire the quanta and hardly change how the deck plays.
Another option tto consider is rewiring the quanta so that we only use air pends. More reliable, better for our overall vault, but turns a win into a loss against EQ decks.
As for silence, it's pretty useful in the UG dial deck. Provides the 1-turn PC protection that allows it to OTK PC decks.
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487272#msg487272
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 04:50:15 pm »
I'd prefer to have a more eq resistant pugon, if possible :3
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Re: VAULT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38866.msg487412#msg487412
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 09:29:18 pm »
Fixed. Dropped an air pillar and aether pillar from PUgons, replaced it with two air pends. Our vault is done unless someone suggest something else.
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