Enemy decks and counters

[Amilir]

We need to make sure our vault can handle everything that will be thrown against us.  Put enemy decks that we're likely to see here.  We'll work from there.

[truddy02]

Off the top of my head.  I can do some digging and add some other ones and put them in deck form

: devtal, fractal minor phoenix, bolt stall, poison stall, enchanted dim shields

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  : devtal, grabbow
 : bonewall/fire, speed poison,

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  : pandabonium, discord/blackhole

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  : discord/blackhole ,

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  : sanctuary firestall, vader sader

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[Newbiecake]

 : USEMosis, Druid/Mutation
 : mono Toadfish/Dragon? (Idk, Water sucks, so...)

[jippy99]

 : grabbybow
Some counters to a few of them would be either something with sancs for  ,  ,  ,  , and  or flying accel'd titans for any stalls (not including time).  For time, I would suggest a sanc/ morning star deck possibly with wings.

[The_Mormegil]

The decks I'd use, on a first look, are these.

 : devtal, spark blitz otk, dim shield firestall, mono aether, fractix, fractal recluses {can work in later rounds imo}, fracharge {especially against us}, twin flying titans {especially if Animate Weapons not Flying Weapons can be used}, twin crimsons, quinted crimsons, death duo {vultures and fractal sparks}, fractal gnomes + stoneskin, fractal frogs, fractal frogs with hope, time aether stall, grabbow, wings deck

 : devtal, mono darkness, vader saders, earthquake devourers, liquid antimatter, liquid twin dragons, PC fest {steal + deflag}, raging voodoo, parasite voodoo, accelerated voodoo, deathstalkers, reverse devourers, gotp nightmere, liquid titans

 : death rush, poison control, fractal recluses, fractal sparks, poison dimensional stall, wings deck, parasite voodoo, deathstalkers, stoneskin poison stall, pandebonium, shroedinger bonewall, bones fire stall, boned immophoenix, skeleton roulette {reverse time?}, speed poison, arsenic crusaders, flying arsenics, arsenbow

 : graboid control, shrieker rush, earthstall, fractal gnomes + stoneskin, wings deck, devourer + earthquake, poison stoneskin, steadfast chaos {general only? it's a good deck, though IDK if they can adapt it to war}, immorush, pulvy control, gravity shield stall, plate otys, spine carapace stoneskin, blessed wardens, miracle stoneskin, reverse'd grabbys, trident deck

 : discord BH, pandebonium, entropy decker, grabbows, voodoo pande, poison stall, earthquake discord, antimatter firestall, mono entropy, mutation bow, mutation rush, chaos dunes

 : immorush, firestall, dimensional firestall, bones firestall, sanctuary firestall, quinted dragons, twin dragons, ugs, raging dolls, steamy rush, grabbow

 : discord BH, animated titans, twin titans, twin chargers, fracharge, catapult rush, liquid titans, accelerated dolls, grav shield stall, adrenaguards, momentum dunes, pharaohs{meh}, grabbow

 : life rush, fractal frogs, FFQ, adrenadevs, adrenavamps, adrenastaves, grabbow, earth denial, earthstall, mutations, life firestall, adrenaguards, squid mitosis{?}, grabbow, forest spirits

 : peggy rush, miracle stall, hope stall, RoL Hope{unupped or General version}, vader sader, flying morningstars, blessed wardens, miracle stoneskin, light firestall, raging angels, owls crusaders, arsenic crusaders, titan crusaders, eternal crusaders, blessed dunes, lightwater stall, grabbow

 : monotime rush, time aether stall, fractal scarabs, flying eternity, reverse devourer, GotP Nightmere, skeleton roulette, graboids, grabbow, blessed dunes/warden{can work, I tested it, don't know if they know about it though}, eternal chaos, immorush{?}, pharaohs, momentum dunes, adrena-vus, empathic vus, blessed dunes

 : monowater stall, monowater rush, quinted squids, winged fishes, speed poison, trident deck, steam machines, forest spectres, lightwater stall

[Amilir]

Wonderful.  We didn't really need exact deck codes, but this is great.  Thanks!

[Hisar]

Here's a deck that beats both pandebonium and dischord/black hole:

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[The_Mormegil]

Flying Morning Stars! That's the one. We need to play around with that concept a lot. It can beat Discord BH, it's immune to Reverse Time and it doesn't suffer that much from PC.

EDIT: Also, devtal.

[The_Mormegil]

Preliminary testing report:

"Who cares about the bow" vs "Pandebonium"
(decklist as above)
6-4

It has got some good chances. All of my losses were within one turn of losing, three of which I lost coin toss. Probably with some better quanta balancing it has even more chances (needs far more air than earth, gotta swap some pends for pillars).

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Here's a deck that beats both pandebonium and dischord/black hole:

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This deck is easily outrushed by most decks, though. I think a version featuring Wings could help a lot on that aspect, while mantaining the ability to destroy discord BH and pandebonium. A good counter to 's power, perhaps?

EDIT II & III:
Flying Morning Stars + Wings and Sanctuary: some results.

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Against Discord/BH (gravity version, as posted by truddy02) I won 10/10. Even with a very bad starting hand - no sanctuary - I got out Wings fast enough to manage to survive Discord and BHs. I would like to know Entropy's decklist, though, so I can give it a shot.
Against Time/Darkness duo, it went 5/10. But I think the result was a bit rigged: first, we don't know exactly their decklist - it will probably feature GotP and Nightmere too. Second, if we expect this exact deck, packing Wings is useless, and we may want to sub those for Fogs... and Miracles. Probably Hisar's decklist is better for that.
Against time/darkness duo with GotP: 9-1. And that march I didn't see more than 2 pendulums.

by The Mormegil

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[The_Mormegil]

AETHER:
devtal - Flying MS
spark blitz otk - Any
dim shield firestall - Flying Titans
mono aether - Flying Titans
fractix - Grabbow, Flying Titans
fractal recluses - Grabbow, Flying Titans
fracharge - Grabbow
twin flying titans - Grabbow
twin crimsons - Flying Titans, Grabbow
quinted crimsons - Flying Titans, Grabbow
death duo - Grabbow, Flying Titans
fractal gnomes + stoneskin - Grabbow, Flying Titans, Airsenic
fractal frogs - Grabbow, Flying Titans
fractal frogs with hope - Grabbow, Flying Titans
time aether stall - Grabbow, Flying MS
grabbow - Flying MS
wings deck - Flying MS

DARKNESS:
devtal - Flying MS
mono darkness - Flying MS
vader saders - Bonewall OE
earthquake devourers - Grabbow
liquid antimatter - Flying MS
liquid twin dragons - Flying MS
PC fest {steal + deflag} - Flying MS
raging voodoo - Grabbow
parasite voodoo - Grabbow
accelerated voodoo - Grabbow
deathstalkers - Grabbow, Flying MS
reverse devourers - Flying MS
gotp nightmere - Flying MS
liquid titans - Grabbow

DEATH
death rush - Bonewall OE
poison control - Flying MS
fractal recluses - Grabbow
fractal sparks - Grabbow
poison dimensional stall - Flying Titans
wings deck - Flying Titans
parasite voodoo - Grabbow
deathstalkers - Grabbow, Flying MS
stoneskin poison stall - Flying MS
pandebonium - Flying MS
shroedinger bonewall - Flying MS
bones fire stall - Flying MS
boned immophoenix - Bonewall OE
skeleton roulette {reverse time?} - Grabbow
speed poison - Grabbow
arsenic crusaders - Grabbow
flying arsenics - Grabbow
arsenbow - Grabbow

EARTH:
graboid control - Grabbow
shrieker rush - Bonewall OE
earthstall - Flying MS
fractal gnomes + stoneskin - Airsenic
wings deck - Flying Titans
devourer + earthquake - Grabbow
poison stoneskin - Grabbow
immorush - Bonewall OE
pulvy control - Flying MS
gravity shield stall - Flying Titans
plate otys - Flying Titans
spine carapace stoneskin - Flying Titans
blessed wardens - Flying Titans, Flying MS, Bonewall OE...
miracle stoneskin - Airsenic
reverse'd grabbys - Grabbow
trident deck - Grabbow

ENTROPY:
discord BH - Flying MS
pandebonium - Flying MS
entropy decker - Flying Titans, Airsenic(?)
grabbows - Bonewall OE
voodoo pande - Flying MS
poison stall - Flying MS
earthquake discord - Grabbow
antimatter firestall - Flying MS
mono entropy - Flying MS, Bonewall OE
mutation bow - Bonewall OE
mutation rush - Bonewall OE
chaos dunes - Grabbow

FIRE:
immorush - Bonewall OE
firestall - Flying Titans
dimensional firestall - Flying Titans
bones firestall - Flying Titans
sanctuary firestall - Flying Titans
quinted dragons - Flying Titans
twin dragons - Flying Titans
ugs - Grabbow
raging dolls - Grabbow
steamy rush - Bonewall OE
grabbow - Bonewall OE

GRAVITY:
discord BH - Flying MS
animated titans - Grabbow
twin titans - Grabbow
twin chargers - Grabbow
fracharge - Grabbow
catapult rush - Grabbow
liquid titans - Grabbow
accelerated dolls - Grabbow
grav shield stall - Flying Titans
adrenaguards - Bonewall OE
momentum dunes - Grabbow
grabbow - Bonewall OE

LIFE:
life rush - Bonewall OE
fractal frogs - Bonewall OE
FFQ - Bonewall OE
adrenadevs - Flying MS, Bonewall OE
adrenavamps - Bonewall OE
adrenastaves - Bonewall OE
grabbow - Bonewall OE
earth denial - Grabbow
earthstall - Grabbow
mutations - Bonewall OE, Grabbow
life firestall - Bonewall OE, Grabbow
adrenaguards - Bonewall OE, Grabbow
squid mitosis{?} - Bonewall OE
grabbow - Bonewall OE
forest spirits - Bonewall OE

LIGHT:
peggy rush - Bonewall OE
miracle stall - Airsenic
hope stall - Flying Titans
RoL Hope{unupped or General version} - Flying Titans
vader sader - Bonewall OE
flying morningstars - Flying Titans
blessed wardens - anything
miracle stoneskin - Airsenic
light firestall - Flying Titans
raging angels - Flying Titans
owls crusaders - Flying Titans
arsenic crusaders - Bonewall OE
titan crusaders - Grabbow
eternal crusaders - Grabbow
blessed dunes - Grabbow, Adrenastaves
lightwater stall - Flying Titans
grabbow - Bonewall OE

TIME:
monotime rush - Grabbow
time aether stall - Grabbow
fractal scarabs - Grabbow
flying eternity - Grabbow
reverse devourer - Flying MS
GotP Nightmare - Flying MS
skeleton roulette - Grabbow
graboids - Grabbow
grabbow - Grabbow
pharaohs - Grabbow
momentum dunes - Grabbow
adrena-vus - Grabbow
empathic vus - Grabbow
blessed dunes - Grabbow

WATER:
monowater stall - Flying MS
monowater rush - Bonewall OE
quinted squid - Flying MS
winged fishes - Flying MS
speed poison - Flying MS
trident deck - Grabbow
steam machines - Bonewall OE
forest spectres - Bonewall OE
lightwater stall - Flying Titans
By my analyses, we can cover about every matchup with 4 basic decks... Flying Titans, Bonewall OE, Flying Morning Stars and Grabbows.
Also, due to current ruling (SV drama, anyone?) we could work out element-based counter decks for about every matchup... I don't think it's too difficult, but, well, I'll wait for a vet to say what he thinks about all this - probably it's just random stupidity.