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Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg491493#msg491493
« on: May 02, 2012, 08:05:34 pm »
At the moment of writing this (18 hours before rounds end) 5 teams had completed matches. The point of this analyses is to see which team used all of in-element cards(+nova) so that their supp team defence will be gimped

Darkness: nightfall, parasite, vampire, voodoo, cloack (USED nova)

Gravity: Grav mercenary,drag, fire eater, chimera +nova

Fire: ash eater, drag, fire spirit, fire shield, RoF +nova

Death: virus, vulture, skeleton, boneyard,plague, aflatoxin, deathstalker + nova

light: drag, peggy, photon, holy light, solar shield, reflect shield, lucipherin, hope (used nova)

Problem is that gravity going to get swarmed, so attacking them might backfire. Fire can build half decent decks with those cards. Light got a hard hitter and a peggy along with shields to build decks, not a weakling. So the real candidates are death and darkness for the time being. I would lean towards darkness mostly because of rainbow not available

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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg491503#msg491503
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 08:18:38 pm »
If I was Darkness I would make a Parasite Voodoo (+Bonewall Deck) or something with Vampires (Adrenavamps?). Cloak is also a consideration.

Since they don't have Steal I think something with UG could be pretty strong, able to 1HKO past healing and past Bonewall.

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This gets 75% vs AdrenaVamps on the sim despite the AI's retardedness concerning UGs and 90% vs ParaVooWall, though I don't think that counts since the AI wouldn't know to poison itself. I think it could be worth following up on, the Fire Shield shutting down both Parasites and Adrenavamps whilst ignoring Cloak.

The only thing I can see Death doing is something with Deathstalkers. Maybe control via Plague and Virus with some other hardhitter.
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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg491767#msg491767
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2012, 01:46:23 am »
Keep in mind that their defenders can use 1-2 cards that have already been used by the main team.

I think we should play Entropy. Death can run an Immo deck that rushes us pretty hard. Darkness can run Fractal Minor Vamps and Accel Voodoo.

Entropy seems pretty weak. Their best combos can't be played, and the only cards they didn't use last round are Mutation, Fallen Elf, Cat, and Chaos Seed. I think we could handle them pretty easily with a defensive Fire duo like this.

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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg492527#msg492527
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012, 02:37:37 am »
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This should help.

EDIT: Oh! And Entropy can also use BE.
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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg492952#msg492952
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012, 11:13:21 pm »
Here's another option against Entropy. It's a wicked fast Light rush that can plow through their earth stall easily. I've tried a lot of versions and this seems to be the fastest. Its main weakness is Maxwell's Demon and Reverse Time, but, eh, every deck loses to something. Personally, I prefer this option.

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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg495812#msg495812
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 10:42:39 pm »
R2 :

 :gravity : Grav mercenary, drag, fire eater, chimera, BH (USED nova)
 :life : Rustler, cockatrice, Thorn carapace, emerald shield, Empathic bond, Forest Scorpion, mitosis (USED nova)
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 :water : Chrysoara, NT, freeze, squid, flooding (used nova)
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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg496324#msg496324
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 05:50:45 pm »
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I think a defensive FFQ deck would work well.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 06:06:45 pm »
I think a defensive FFQ deck would work well.
Flooding? Also, without miracles, poison can be very overwhelming.
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Bonds beat Poison. It would lose to flooding, but Water can't really use an entropy stall easily because they did last round.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 07:57:28 pm »
Bonds beat Poison. It would lose to flooding, but Water can't really use an entropy stall easily because they did last round.
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Re: Supp team espionage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39540.msg499408#msg499408
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 05:36:07 pm »
Round 3 supp team espionage. important round as winning a single game means +1 relic.

We cannot use any of these for our attacks

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Available in element cards: wyrm, thunderstorm, FFQ, firefly, UG, SW, blitz

 :fire cards used round complete. Assuming worst case senario 2 def, bows are not viable. Decks like immogolem/phoenix Firestall will be seriously gimped. Available cards: ash eater, fire spirit

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 :light cards used round complete

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 :darkness cards used round complete

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« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 08:00:36 pm by AnnaMall »

 

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