R3 discussion

[Jenkar]

19	Earth2	vs	Gen. Jenkar
4	Darkness4	vs	Air2
14	Aether4	vs	Air3
5	Water3	vs	Air4
13	Entropy3	vs	Air5

Keep in mind we now have an extra relic, ie 3/6/9 ups.

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[Jenkar]

Inputting only winning decks :

Spoiler for Aether:

R2 :

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5of 5of 5og 5ol 5op 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7mv 7mv 8pr

R1 not used in R2 :

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5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5uq 5ut 5ut 61o 61o 61o 61o 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7ta 7td 8pt

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4st 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uv 5uv 5v1 606 606 606 606 606 7ta 7tc 7td 7td 7td 7td 7tf 7tf 8pt

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5rg 5rg 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5up 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 7q4 7tb 8ps

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4st 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5uo 5uu 5uu 5uu 5v2 5v2 606 606 606 606 606 606 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 7t5 7t5 7tb 7tb 7tb 8pu

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4st 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5up 5up 5v1 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 7tb 7tb 8pu

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Spoiler for Earth:

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590 590 590 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ru 5ru 77g 77g 8ps

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Spoiler for Entropy:

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4vg 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 71a 71a 8pk

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 7dm 7dm 7dm 7dm 7dm 8po

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 6ts 6ts 8pl

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 593 5fb 6u1 6u1 77g 77g 7th 80a 80a 80a 8pm

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vg 4vl 4vl 500 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 6u9 6u9 8pj

Additionnal note :
They got dials.

Spoiler for Water:

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[regen2k9]

Testing PU Dragons vs. 

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Vs. Water/Entropy Duo: 5-0

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Game 1: Win.  Early disco for water.  I PU'd a toadfish and then put up a dim shield.  I sat behind an early shield chain while infecting his creatures and summoning my own dragons. 40-ish HP left.

Game 2: Win.  Started with 3 dims in hand.  Held off on PU-ing a toadfish because I was trying to save the PU for a sky dragon (which I also had in-hand).  He played a discord so I went ahead and just PU'd the toadfish after all.  Really, I didn't even need to, because the dim shield chain allowed me to stall enough to get the win.  Still, early PUs on toadfish looks like a good strategy.

Game 3: Win.  It seems like once we get dim shields up, that's game.

Game 4: Win.  Once again, dim shield = game.

Game 5: Win:  PU'd an Azure Dragon before he got a disco out.  One dim shield was all it took.

VERDICT: Easy win.  No problem.

Vs. Water/Darkness Duo: 4-1 (possibly unreliable results)

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Game 1:  Loss.  Extremely close.  I lost by an icebolt the turn before i was about to win.  I waited until 54 HP to start playing dim shields.  Possibly a bad idea, because mine was stolen.  I had another in hand, but I didn't have the quanta to play it until 1 turn later, so 4 crawlers got through.

Game 2:  Win.  By 35-ish HP.  It is important to note that the AI stole a pendulum the turn before I was about to play a dim shield.  A skilled player might have waited.  I'm not saying I would have lost this game, as I had more dims in hand.  I'm just saying it would have been close.

Game 3: Win.  By 8HP.  No dragons until 14 cards were left in the deck.  I PU'd a crawler.  The AI targeted it with 2 ice bolts in one turn and then a third one a couple turns later.  Also the AI stole a pendulum again.  Whereas the last game was debatable, I believe that I would have lost if a skilled player were my opponent.

Game 4: Win.  The AI did that pendulum stealing thing again.  We need more pvp testing.

Game 5: Win.  The AI played exactly the way a good player would have.  Stole a dim, not a pend, etc.

VERDICT:  Results are deceiving here.  I still think we have the advantage, but this has the potential to be a 3-2 series, depending on steal draws.  We need pvp testing.


Vs. Mono Water: 5-0

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Game 1: Win.  HEAVY damage from water at first, but dim shield stopped them cold.  HP remaining = approx. 35.

Game 2: Win.  Opponent started out with only one pillar.  Drew another on his second turn.  Easy win.  HP remaining = 61.

Game 3: Win.  I had plenty of Aether quanta and dim shields in hand so I started the chain early.  No problem.  HP remaining = 68.

Game 4: Win.  Yawn.  HP remaining = 58

Game 5: Win.  Dim shields ftw again.  HP remaining = 55-ish.

VERDICT:  No problem.


Vs. Steam Machines: 4-1

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Game 1: Win.  Opponent used 2 deflags on pillars/pends.  Approx. 50 hp left, but it would have been close if the deflags were used properly.

Game 2: Loss.  3 Deflags were played against our shields.

Game 3: Win.  JUST BARELY won, and only because I top-decked a PU.

Game 4: Win.  Might not be a reliable game.  The opponent deflagged a pendulum, and when I played dragon + 2PU there was no CC.  Then, 2 turns later, it played 3 ice bolts at once, WITHOUT insta-kill damage (so saving them might have been a moot point).

Game 5: Win.  No deflags.

VERDICT:  Much more of a threat than the results indicate.  We should do pvp testing.

I AM COMING BACK TO THIS POST TO DO MORE TESTING.  I just wanted to post what I had so far.

[RootRanger]

Upgrade pends in the Earth deck to be more resistant to EQ. Dragons and the damsel are a higher priority though. The Water deck is fine, I guess.

Both of these are untested.

Entropy

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Darkness?

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Aether is impossible to predict and counter, as usual.

[Jenkar]

Due to the assassin, we actually only have one pillar :<

[AnnaMall]

reading the testing sheet i came up with some decks that do decently against each opponent

  :flightmare loses to stalls, beat all others more often than not

  : entropy domin loses  clearly only to EQ but we can use ups accordingly and earth duo lost last round

  : bonewall domin seems to only lose to immortal. Also flightmare gives good results across all earth decks

  : reg did a good breakdown so...

  : light stall seems to be 50-50 for almost all their decks, except defl domin and pandebonium

[Jenkar]

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Lieutenant

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Assassin

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Salvager

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Scout

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