Round 8 - Main Topic

[DrunkDestroyer]

I doubt there will be much to discuss here, we have 33 cards, and one matchup.

I don't know what happened last round, and I really can't imagine why teams  and  , well, mostly  played the decks they did, but it looks like it worked.


Apparently the round is being delayed by 1.  IMO, the best we can really do is just make the strongest/best balanced deck possible here, and hope for a win. We were a strong team, we deserve a place much better than 11th, and we should fight for that until the very end.

Nothing to say now- just waiting on the matchup and event card.

[plastiqe]

Event Card..
To The Skies: only flying creatures allowed this round, if your element contains any non-flying creatures you lose.

[Bloom]

Event Card..
To The Skies: only flying creatures allowed this round, if your element contains any non-flying creatures you lose.

i rofled.

[Legit]

Alright, so we're facing entropy, no surprise there. However the event card does complicate things a little.

Right now it looks like we have the Darkness duo and some random air cards in our vault. Because of our limited status I think Entropy will choose either the 2x upgrades for mark or the 4x upgrades for mono event cards, and then run either a rush mono with discord or something scary like this (with entropy mark): http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,34098.0.html

With upgrades they have potential for first turn Discord and a very reliable second turn Discord, so even our Sancs might not be able to stop them. Our light duo stands a decent chance against them though (let's hope no or very little PC).

Then our other option, a more predictable but also a very good choice, is to use a mono with max 36 upgraded cards. Fully upgraded decks ftw. If we salvage the right Air cards a fully upgraded mono could stand a chance against Discord and all those annoying decks they have.

[DrunkDestroyer]

I'm kinda glad we're against entropy, I would have just 'cbf'd if we were to vs Earth, no way would I be making another of those team topics 


IMO, our only choices are really Light Duo or Mono Air. (Or choose event card 1 and run 5 blue nymphs. Shit, now I wish I hadn't just said that in chat when it occurred to me - entropy would have never expected that)




With the light duo, we can make it absolutely perfectly built by using the first event card - which would be kind of nice.
Or run a fully upped mono air, discard all/most darkness/light cards and try to use them next round. (Assuming we survive, we could still have 3 hidden sanctuaries)

Ugh, I'd like to throw a vamp dagger into a mono deck cause discord, but then, that wouldn't work.

I forgot to do it before, here are our salvages

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Hmm, we could even run upped fireflies with the nymphs... lol no next idea.


lolshit no salvage. those 3 extra cards better be good ones.



Long term idea would be mono it this round, pack sancts/miracles next round which might just change the deck enough. Thinking long term has fucked us over before, so if thats not the way to go, it shouldn't be used.

The other potential idea IMO is pandebonium, they'll probably expect the mono air deck. I think, my predictions haven't been working.

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I hope all your special vault prediction tools were soooo useful in this matchup!! And guess what, they'll be just as useful if you play us again next round! Ha, all your hard work was effectively worthless!

Yeah, maybe we shouldn't take that one.

[Legit]

Vault (hidden, before salvage) Total: 14

3x Sanctuary
2x Miracle
2x Steal
2x Vampire Stiletto
3x Shockwave
2x Owl's Eye

Salvage: Total: 19 (7+6+6)

Team Entropy will definitely expect a fully upgraded mono Air deck.

Personally I love that deck, DD.
"Yeah, maybe we shouldn't take that one." Why not?

[DrunkDestroyer]

Well, it did lose twice to AI3  ???
I forget why exactly, maxwells demons were/are an issue, but entropy hasn't really been taking too many this time around, and there must have been some other legitamate reason as to why it lost to AI3.


Don't get me wrong, I love the deck, and I think it would be an awesome deck to take to the end (might need to be built a little better though), if people are cool with taking it, I'd be proud to use it against entropy. It just might not be the most sensible option in terms of...winning. (After one round, bar a crazy event card, we will have 1-3 hidden cards to change up from the previous round. Dragons could actually change the deck a bit though...)




the other options would be

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the very basic and expected (two unupped cards should be upped, I am more than willing to sell any CCYB/oracle prediction cards to build anything team desires)

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the not so basic or expected, in fact, this one is a little like the nymph one, just less extreme

quanta balances are made up and ungood, as well as card counts. (The second can have pretty much any air card we want, first..cant)

Huh, now that I think about it, they are a little interchangeable, fireflies can be used as quanta in the second - if we choose one of these, we could probably mod it a little so that we can still change up the deck for a hypothetical R9


So yeah

[Legit]

Yeah, the second deck looks more effective. Although that first deck would be contender for most beautiful/best looking/whatever deck for sure.

I'll test the mono Air and light duo tomorrow (and make tweaks where needed), I'll post results tomorrow.

Test against these decks:

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[DrunkDestroyer]

IDEA NUMBER 4 (FOUR)

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Not much difference between  this one and the one before. Except - next round, we have 2 new cards to try to beat a deck that can possibly counter ours entirely.
This one card can change a game. It's a little draw dependant, but if this deck above works just as well as the one I had posted before, then we have something we can try next round.


Upgrade 3 Fireflies, + 2 Nymphs. Unexpected, and really the only true way to really change our deck up with 1 - 3 cards IMO.

If we can win 2 more rounds, well thats fucking awesome isn't it



And thanks A LOT (in advance) for the testing  - I can't build decks.



*** Oh, it has no shields. Ugh.



<24 hours left, I put a rough build into the vault to get the groundwork up. I am still liking the nymph idea, I'm not too sure how else we can really make a significant difference to our deck otherwise. (Assuming Fireflies are a positive contribution to the deck, in case of antimatters or whatever)


I've drawn up what we should have, we have 33 cards now and the deck is playable (needs 3 more upgrades though, but thats really an afterthought, I just didn't want to have to figure out the vault at the deadline). What is in there is WRONG, but it will hopefully make it easier to work with when we have a final deck/vault. PMing Kevkev just to make sure that its the right way to do it, if nothing else I want to fight till we're out. (although the plan, still is, to win this round)


kev says its all good, lots of potential mods (+Fogs/Shockwaves/Wyrms, EEs don't need upgrading tbh), trying to do a little testing now

[Legit]

testing in progress

Against this deck:

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This deck lost every single game. Not every game was decided by Discord either; some games Discord did nothing. However Entropy's deck consistently outrushed ours.
So I changed the deck to be faster and have more quanta.

This deck had about a 50-50 chance: Draw dependent, both that you get nice quanta, sanctuary, and that your opponent doesn't outrush you. After that, Owl's Eyes rule.

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This deck has WON every single game:

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Only testing mono air now

Against this deck:

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Mono air still wins every game. Now for the real test.

Versus bane of mono Air

[DrunkDestroyer]

^Shit, really? Our deck won 3 - 2 in my brief testing, with some very questionable moves with OEs

(To be fair, entropy deck had some average draws, but in no way was I expecting that result)


Okay, been playing against this entropy with mono air

Entropy deck has won 3 - 1 where maybe one of those could have wins on our side with a human player.

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9 upgrades, although now that I use my brain, I think they can use 12? (If they choose even card 3, this is pretty much a worst case). Discords are useless, I suspect that they would try fit a BE in here instead, a Maxwells changes the whole game, and OEs can take down infinite


Going to work soon, be back later to try get things sorted.

[pervepic]

Yeah, go with the mono, upgraded cards is just so big advantage, but if you there may be stalls or maxwells or steals or antimatters etc etc then  this would be another mono you can play (as i metioned already in chat too):

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Don't have second upped Nymph sry