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[Bloom]

Here is a new version of the duo against without Shockwaves so it can be used against

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Went 1-2 vs EQ/Graboid for . I think it definitely needs the shockwaves more than the entropy deck.

Maybe we could do this for the duo

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It's really our only choice because I think the duo is very effective against time with the SW's in the deck. Went 2-3 against grabbow but RNG plays a huge role and this deck has the potential to walk all over that deck. 3-4 vs duo of . Darn those pesky devourers, they sure are destructive.

[Legit]

Hmm...Shockwaves.

My initial thought is to add them to the deck vs time because we already have antimatters and Maxwell's vs Aether. However I know they are useful in both decks but we have to choose one.

DD: "Last thing that needs to be done (if we plan on using the decks that are shown above) is finding another damselfly, or finding a substitute for one in one of the decks. In theory, I think the first one can rewind a Wyrm all the way to deckout, not ideal, but I think it has the quanta. "

Assuming we go for the deckout, we will have plenty of quanta and we can afford to take the dragonfly out. If they use EQ we won't have to go for deckout anyways, so we're safe there.

@Bloom's entropy deck above. I would take max 1 shield (I wouldn't even take 1 in this case though), 2 ups aren't that useful and because we have fog that would make 4 shields in the whole deck, more dead cards = bad. Sky Dragons can be unupped and we can leave 2 antimatters unupped (I think the Entropy Dragon should be upped because it has 5< health)

After all this I think the deck choices are solid.

[DrunkDestroyer]

Summary post: How I'm interpreting the decks as they stand -

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-1 dragonfly, +1 pillar.

We can salvage another dragonfly, at the cost of our Blue Nymph - I dunno whether its worth it to be honest. Another option is to put in another shield instead of the pillar, then upgrade two more cards.



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From Blooms deck above, +1 Fog (needed IMO), +1 Shockwave, -1 Dragon (looks pretty heavy on them)
I think that we definitely should make use of the Shockwaves, I just don't know where they would fit here.


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I dunno. Shields seem too useless to do much here and Wings seems like a risk considering the possibility of Vampires/Pheonixes. I think that Mummies overall are the most likely thing we'll be seeing, and we have only 3 Fogs in the vault. (Also, the 2nd and 3rd Wings cost us 1 Dragon each!!!) If we aren't using all the shockwaves in the other deck, we are going to want them here - might be better off in the other deck though.

Thoughts? (especially on the wings thing, I'm not 100% sure on that at all)

Edit: Hi Legit, you beat me to posting.


TL;DR - My opinions outside the decks I just posted.

*+1 shield, -1 pillar to deck vs entropy. (2 extra upgrades)
*+Shockwaves somewhere in the deck against time
* - all the Wings I put for against aether for something more sensible (if applicable)

[kev]

DrunkD pointed out your vault is now 1 over because 1 bone pillar was added last round and no card was taken out like I'd asked.  Please put one card under "Penalty" on the sdcp tab to balance it out.  I've added 1 Wind Pillar there for now but feel free to change it.  No penalties will be assessed.

While doing this I noticed some of the formulas in column C of the sdcp tab had been overwritten by hard coded numbers.  I've replaced the formulas.  Please make sure you don't type in any gray boxes.  Blue boxes only.

[Legit]

Upgrading two more rewinds may be beneficial, statistically a pillar if drawn will be better in the long run (assuming discord) but Rewinds may help in tight situations. Up to you really.

If we REALLY want the shockwaves I guess we could take out the black dragon and one air pend. Or maybe the azure dragon and a pillar. Otherwise we can add the shockwaves in the Aether deck.

Wings may help vs death duo but assuming they have lightnings it would only buy us a few turns as they can kill our creatures. Plus it depends on if they get arsenic out early enough if we could deck them out assuming we win the coin toss and don't die within 15 turns. I would add the Shockwaves instead if we don't take them in the vs Time deck.

[DrunkDestroyer]

Mmm, I still don't know.


I guess we're going with the Wings here. We are definitely in trouble if the fractal phoenixes - I don't know whether we can fix that - I'm just logicking that it will make a more significant difference against the Mummy deck, which they are more likely to use.
(They are probably afraid of all the thunderstorms that we've been hiding in the depths of our vault).

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I put a shockwave in here so deckouts can happen consistently. It weakens our deck but makes it less of a coin toss.




(Be back in a sec - I'm thinking stick with the pillar and maybe sub a pend for a shockwave in the darkness deck , then I'll throw everything into the vault and we'll probably have to find some cards to convert)

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Yeah, I'm not sure about the changes either - I've never been good with the little bits and quanta balances of decks. So, if someone is, you have 14 hours to do what you are good at!

About to VAULT everything at get it figured out.



Important Vault Stuff:

We need 1 more Pillar and Two more pendulums.
I have already taken out 2 Crusaders, often they are too much of a strain on the light quanta.

Then we can get rid of a variety of cards, (Crusader/Sanctuary/Miracle) (Adrenaline/Forest Scorpion/Mitosis/Druidic Staff) (Vampires? / Sky Blitz? )
I'll

Also:
You have too few cards in your deck. You used cards that do not exist or are not allowed.     Since its exactly the deck above (the nova one) - I think I'll just whine to kevkev again... hopefully it gets there in time.

I should be back before the deadline to make hasty card conversion decisions if noone else does (I'm thinking the light deck atm, Crusaders are a little weak without OEs, and maybe Sky Blitz) Just did this - but by all means go ahead and fix it



- If someone wants to check that its not my computer lying to me about our deck being legal, would be nice too, although the PM has already been sent. (with Tortoise Formation choice)

[Bloom]

Woot. WTG DD. Pretty good counter I prepared there

[Legit]

Sorry about not being online before the deadline, but it looks like DD got it under control.

Good job General and nice deck Bloom!

Also, Aether used fractix already. Here's hoping that Wings was a great decision, but we shall see in the actual duel.

EDIT: I didn't want to make a new post so

Awesome win plastiqe! Now the pressure is on me to win so we have a perfect round...

And nice move General with the Wings, apparently saved plastiqe in the final duel.

[plastiqe]

Wow, in testing I dominated the Fractal Dev's but playing against EvaRia was a lot closer.  Human plays better than the AI, who knew?  Oh, those crazy Discords.

Best matches I've played all war.

[Bloom]

Just tested out deck against with the AI using the duo with steals. I find its very heavily dependent on who goes first as most games come down to the very last turn. Could be something to consider when playing them next. Also, even though it's too late, I think the explosion is a dead card as we either need discord to give us or we need both novas. Relying on 2 of 30 cards to play a card is pretty useless and I think now it could've been replaced by a pillar or pendulum

[DrunkDestroyer]

^ They've already used that deck this round, so we don't really have to worry about that (although they have also revealed a fourth (!!!) Bonebolt.

Relying on 3 cards has worked against entropy before, I think its fairly fine. If they don't have discord, then there might not even be that much to deflag. In the end, its enough so that we can eventually beat a shield/sundial chain or something I think.


Also, at worst we lose 12 cards this round, we can still field 3 players next round. Unless Perve says something, it should be easy enough to keep Legit as Liutenant - and have Bloom play the 3rd match, and bring plastiqe back next round? Maybe even as Lt, just to even out the match spread. (Being an average player at best, I feel strange objectively deciding who plays due to PvP skill)

(TF, Roboto and BC haven't been posting here, sorry guys, had to make a decision somehow)


And great round so far guys, we're definitely in this for a few more-
(and thanks for making me feel better about the wings plast ;P )

[TuckingFypo]

Ehh, I don't really have an excuse this time.  But great job DD and plastique, nice deck Bloom, and good luck to Legit.

Actually I think DD mentioned in the OP that could be better to sub so we don't have to field another deck?  With 2 wins right now we're at 129 cards.  It's a bit unfair to Legit but if whether we win the match against  or not (of course we will  ) we'll only need to field 3 decks next round.