Round 4 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

[jippy99]

Round 4 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

Salvaging
6x Dimensional Shield
4x Otyugh
2x Gravity Shield
6x Devourers
3x Lightning
Discarding
19x Wind Pillar
7x Azure Dragon
7x Owl's Eye
5x Sky Blitz
5x Parallel Universe
30x Air Pendulum
6x Reverse Time
2x Purple Dragon
3x Discord
3x Antimatter
3x Miracle
6x Wings



Penalties
7x Dimensional Shield
4x Lightnings
4x Shockwaves
1x Blue Nymph
6 x Firefly Queen
6x Unstable Gas
6x Devourer
3x Deflagration
4x Empathic Bond
2x Hope
2x Miracle
1x Wind Pillar
2x Air Pendulum

Converting
3 Phoenix -> 3 Air Pendulum
I really don't have the time now to start with the decks, I'm sorry guys.  I feel really bad letting you guys down like this, but RL comes first.

These are all subject to change but right now we need to see how we are on pillars. -truddy02
Salvages done.  We need to pick up the pace here.

[truddy02]

Don't worry about it jippy.  I'll get the decks posted. 

Here is the plan for next round.  If anyone wants to do it differently let me know and I can make changes.

1.  All losing decks will keep as many pillars/pends as possible initially.  A 30 card losing deck will discard all but 6 pillars.  This can be changed later when we figure out that we have enough pillars for next rounds decks.  The ADU will be updated to reflect this.

2.  We will build our decks for next round with the remaining cards before making our penalty discards.  These decks can have any cards remaining plus any salvageable cards.  These decks must be completed one day before deckbuilding ends so we have time to make our penalty discards.

3. Once decks are complete we can make our penalty discards from the remaining cards.  This is going to be most of the cards left but we can probably save cards for one or two of our strongest decks.


This is the best way to have the best chance next round and get back in it.  Any suggestions for changes to this system or problems let me know so we can work it out to be optimal.

Discard from (24 cards):

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Salvage from (6 cards):

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[jippy99]

Don't worry about it jippy.  I'll get the decks posted. 

Here is the plan for next round.  If anyone wants to do it differently let me know and I can make changes.

1.  All losing decks will keep as many pillars/pends as possible initially.  A 30 card losing deck will discard all but 6 pillars.  This can be changed later when we figure out that we have enough pillars for next rounds decks.  The ADU will be updated to reflect this.

2.  We will build our decks for next round with the remaining cards before making our penalty discards.  These decks can have any cards remaining plus any salvageable cards.  These decks must be completed one day before deckbuilding ends so we have time to make our penalty discards.

3. Once decks are complete we can make our penalty discards from the remaining cards.  This is going to be most of the cards left but we can probably save cards for one or two of our strongest decks.


This is the best way to have the best chance next round and get back in it.  Any suggestions for changes to this system or problems let me know so we can work it out to be optimal.

I like it.  You are a man with a plan.  For once we are organized.  I will try to give my feedback here as soon as the decks go up.

[jippy99]

Seeing as there is an decent amount of aether in our salvages, I suggest trying to build up a strong dim shield stall with some of our CC left in the vault.  Toss the entropy, it didn't work.  Keep a few RTs, maybe 3.  I think that the PU's are strong for us, we can maybe keep a few.  Save the sancs, a few miracles and the rest of the spots for pends.  From the gravity/light deck, we could possibly try to make a deck with otys and our CC, but that is unlikely.  Maybe take the miracles and discard some of the miracles from our deck.  From the darkness one, I really don't know.  Maybe a few devs and steals, but I really don't know here.

[Newbiecake]

Deck 1: Keep Pends and dragons, as they are a major asset in many of our decks. PUs are meh; other teams really would be prepared against that deck now as it seems to be our strongest pure power deck.

Deck 2: I agree with Jippy on this one. Save a few RTs for rainbow splash.

Deck 3: Save Pends and Fog. We're running low on jazz shields.

Deck 4: Toss Sancs and Miracles and FWs; we've still got plenty of those left.

Salvage 1: Otys and Grav shields please. I'm sure we can build a pure CC deck against with those.

Salvage 2: Dim Shields.

Salvage 3: Salvage w/e and convert them all. We are definitely not playing any Fractal decks.

Salvage 4: Dim Shields or Lightnings.

Converts: We don't need so many Deflagrations; we only have enough UGs for one deck with those anyway, so save 4-5 of those and convert the rest into more Pillars. I think we really need pillars. The Darkness deck doesnt have good salvage useful to us; convert all the salvages from that deck into more Pillars.

[The_Mormegil]

I don't think a gravity duo would work, but apart from that I agree with what was said here. I'd salvage Miracles, MS and pillars, that deck works really really well.

Also, don't discard Sancts: they are the boneback of our light stall (and that's a very strong deck in many matchups, including Entropy). And we need to have at least 6...

[truddy02]

Lets talk penalties.  A good portion of our decks are starting to take shape.  We still need some input to get them finalized but I think we can start some discussion with what 48 cards we are willing to part with.  Also any input on changes to discarding.  When I did the original discard I kept basically nothing to see where we are on pillars.  We are fine there so what really needs to be saved?  We are going to need to save some more dragons and fog shields and maybe a few others to build our decks for next round.

Some cards I think we can get rid of:

Devourers just salvaged
Firefly queen deck
Some of the huge number of dim shields we keep getting
Phoenix
A couple of arsenics and a couple of deflags
6 unstable gas
1 blue nymph

[jippy99]

Thats fine by me.  Also, truddy, can you please update the first post when we are done?  I do not have much time today or tomorrow.

[The_Mormegil]

Ok, some thoughts:

1) We don't really have a use for Otys or Gravity Shields. Reasoning: we have reliable damage-based CC as our prime resource. That doesn't work well with Oty, as it is a reliable "damage-based" CC source too. Grav Shields are always interesting, but Fog Shield tends to be better when we pair it with above-mentioned Owl's Eye. I think we can convert those right away, far before our other resources.
EDIT: I saw our deck for now. Seems a little off. How will you grow your Otys? Anyway, we can convert them later.
2) We are using MANY dragons, MANY OEs and MANY FWs. We can't get rid of too many of those.
3) Try to keep Wings as much as possible. When the selection is restricted, they tend to work better.
4) We need some Fogs too, they are cheap and reliable.
5) I agree on discarding FFQs.
6) I disagree on discarding too many UGs. They are a killer vs most stalls.

[truddy02]

The oty deck could get changed but the idea is not to grow the oty but to snipe creatures into range then grow by devouring.  I'm going to change to save more of those cards that you mentioned.  They are probably going to be the majority of our saved cards.  Right now we have 12 UG's.  If we discard 6 we can still run one UG per round.  You have to keep in mind that just about everything we aren't using this round has to be discarded.  We will mostly have some backup air cards to make decks from salvage and slight tweaks to decks.  I can try to save some if we have room for them but other cards like extra dragons, fogs and OE's will probably be saved first.

[truddy02]

I made some changes here.  I changed salvage because we had too many (only get 21 salvage, had 24 cards listed).  I changed the discards to give us the cards we need for next rounds decks.  I added the penalties in.  If anyone makes any more changes make sure they are also made in all other necessary areas including decks (if they are affected), vault, and ADU.  The ADU is currently up to date.  The vault is not and I have to get to bed.  It would be great if someone could take care of this before the deadline.

[The_Mormegil]

I really dislike discarding PUs, but that cannot be avoided I think. I'm ok with the rest.