Round 4 - Decks

[Dogg]

Okay, i just did some more testing. I tested bonewall/OE deck. From what i got, it is very solid versus Darkness/Entropy duo and earthquake/devourer decks, but vs fractal devourers it is pretty much a sure loss. Also tested our fractal firefly vs fractal devourers and that one also loses every single time to those pesky devourers... Can't find the cure for em.. Getting afraid of my match up now :S

[truddy02]

What if we changed our salvage from 6 flying weapons to 6 novas.  Then we could make one deck using 4 novas and one using 2 novas and 2 cremations.  That should give them both a chance to get some extra quanta out to counter devourers.  I don't know exactly what decks we could use but I will look into it later.

[glowing ice]

How about this deck or something similar:

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I'm thinking particularly against  because in the last 2 rounds they haven't used any perm control except earthquakes.  To counter this we cal split up the pendulums into pillars a bit.  It also beats almost every  deck from the last two rounds, with the exception of stone skin/ miracle.

Edit: updated with better pillar spread to combat earthquake

I went back and looked at our matches against entropy in the first round and they used a bunch of BE's so they may have just been saving them up and ready to use them against us.

needing help testing this,   i have done a few rounds with it,  getting air is a lil slow.  and i did fight a  - and won by a longshot. so thats looking good. 1 thing i keep running in to with it is i keep geting my hand full of shield and gas. but at the same time it's do to just 1 or 2 devourers,   


edit: seems like i need to drop  1-2 shields  and add air pillars  or drop wyrm   and add 2 more dragonflys or replace with 2 fireflys. to save on air, out of all the rounds i have played i never use them for dmg.

[QuantumT]

glowingice, if we're going to use that deck, it's the wyrms you should drop. The quanta is already iffy, and wyrms require too much quanta for what they do unupped.

For something against fractal devourers, I threw this together. I don't know if it works against devourtal or not, so somebody should test it.

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[Dogg]

I'm guessing that lobo might mean trouble for that deck, if we are speaking about the match up with aether. If we are speaking about our darkness match up, he might upgrade devourers and it would be very hard again. These are just guesses, and i definitely don't know a better way of going against fractal devourers. If no one does it before me, i will try to test this tomorrow.

[QuantumT]

No you're right. One lobo and it's basically done.

So I thought of one deck that would counter devourtal nicely, unfortunately we didn't bring the cards...

Remember deck 3? That would definitely do the trick here.

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Oh well. No use worrying about it now.

How does this fair?

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The UGs could probably just be dragons if we're using the UGs elsewhere.

[QuantumT]

So truddy and I tested a some decks against fractal devourers and none of them even came close.

We tried my earth one, deck 7, the nova deck I just posted, the adrenaline one, and an entropy deck. None of them even came close except for the adrenaline one that lost only due to super shield haxx, and the entropy one which won against a phenomenally bad hand.

I think we should just build something we wouldn't mind losing and just go with that. Maybe you the earth cards since we're going to convert them anyway.

[pervepic]

Thanks for testing. I'll put Chum an earthquake (which I just abandoned) deck and lets just hope that they can't fractal anything - the sources of  must be destroyed. This means that Truddy gets Fractal-Fireflies. And there is nothing better for Dogg than Flying Owls, but if the fear of fractal is very big, then I can add some Novas there.

And yes, we don't have this adrenaline deck, although it would have been good in some cases.

I know that we are quite predictable already, but the choices are quite limited.

[glowing ice]

ok im going to drop out the wrym's adding 1 dragonfly and 1 air piller. doing it this way to make sure i get my fire, cus  befor wryms where just for getting fire if there was no dragonfly on hand.

[truddy02]

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After some testing with QuantumT this was the best version we could come up with.  We tested vs EQ and steal.  It did better against steal than EQ but has a chance against both.  If we could change discards to have 1 more aether pillar I think it would be better against EQs and give a better chance of getting 4 stacks of pillar.  Then I would just drop 1 air pendulum for an aether pillar.

Edit: accidentally posted the wrong deck first

[pervepic]

Sorry but I don't understand at all, why there is 3 Owls? You will meet a quantum denial deck almost in any case and all you should care about is to get fractal-hope up as soon as possible. You should consider if you need Owls Eye there at all or put a Miracle in you deck instead. And you should have more than 30 cards there because of their Phase Shield deck. And Air is needed more than aether, that was one of the reasons I lost with this one. Anyway, I'll change that.

Glowing Ice, UG deck is now too slow and risky. Entopy has played 2 perm control decks out of 3 against us by now and they probably they would like to play some Butterflies and Steals again, which just crushes this deck. Let's wait a bit with UG. I already put a deck up for you.

Dogg, all you can do is just to pray that they won't play Frac-Devourers against us. That is actually possible, because they haven't played that yet. I made the deck a bit smaller to have you more quanta.

Gyrodiot, there is 3 Butterflies in you deck. If you have quanta and you don't have nothing better to do, you could start to destroy Pillars.

Chum, you should destroy Aether Pillars and Pendulums, in order to avoid Fractals and shields.

[truddy02]

I may have copied that wrong, it might have been only 2 OE.  The extra 1 was 2 combat EQ/graboid which is unlikely because of wings.  The way you have it should be good against steal and many others.  I think that will be fine.

I also checked the decks vs the vault and they are all fine.