Round 4 deck discussion

[AnnaMall]

Havent bumped to anyone in chat to do some lengthy ideas bouncing, so i put my stuff here

They tried to send vs us with catatits round 1 and lost with Darkduo
They send round 2 dim PU drags and lost with 2 nymphs
Assuming they will not like their chances with the same decks
That leaves them imo with 3 options, either heavy domin, heavy PC or both. Note that they can do both at the same time, but not very efficient in the decks they showed so far, but twicking this can make them work

Spoiler for pc and domin decks:

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More fire pends for fire nymphs or suids +defl

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Another option for them is beefed up bow with lightnings they salvaged last round

All those make me feel that the huricane will not have great chances, despite beating almost 3/5 of the decks they showed so far.

My questions are:
Do you see them going in the trouble for building match specific decks? imo majo will
Do you agree with my estimates?
Can we beat all these at the same time? Huricane has some success and dark duo as well, going to post exact test results

Made a mess of the table so I am typing those down
Huricane beats the darkdo as is 60%-ish
Darkduo tests with the Ls cloaks tests

Finally I see them sending strat here for the added versatility, so we ought to do the same?

[kev]

maul is considering shadow dragons against Water, using Str role cuz he thinks dims and deflag splash are both possible decks.  maul, what would you think about this?:

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-4 Steals if deflag splash, -4 LS if dim splash

[AnnaMall]

My deck choice vs water for round 4, unless someone has to offer some improovement. Strat role plz

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Expect fire duo, dark duo or dims and seems to be able to cope with all 3 decks

[kev]

Atm it looks like:

Jen - grabbow (1 up)
maul - Str shadow drags (I think maul feels he needs 3 ups)
Bloom - leaning towards Light Stall... I think (maybe we could get away with 0 ups???)
Burd - leaning towards dim fractalgon (would need 3 upped damsels, I expect)
Elbirn - leaning towards fractalgons with silence (not sure whether dims, would need 3 upped damsels) or accelatitans (would need 3 upped accels, I expect)

I need final builds from you guys ASAP please.

kev - If the above assumptions are true, I think my only real options are Hurricane, Bonair, an RT splash, and 2 Nymphs.  Except I don't have any nymphs and playing a mono UG deck is bonkers.  Burd's analysis says their remaining decks are a sancstall, devtal, the bb deck, a grabbow, and a 5th (I'll call it mono for simplicity's sake).  The trouble is all three of my options basically beat the last three and lose to the first two (I think, on average).  Depending on what's unused from the vault, the RT deck is probably the rushiest and least predictable.  So I'll go with that.  Feedback on all of this is appreciated.

I'll be on in a few hours to post a deck build.  I hope more pieces of the puzzle are complete then.  8)

[Jen-i]

What about this deck kev?

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TStorm and Wings were interchangeable in testing - Wings boosts Grabbow wins - TStorm makes a few wins vs Pestal possible

Has enough damage to take down Sanc Stall with an OTK - makes BB a dead card - Wings "can" counter a grabbow

The issues will be a weakness to Steal - hopefully 10 perms overload the 2-3 steals they bring and no ability to counter Pestal (this may not be the case if you bring 9 upped pends - I'll go test it)

Your other option could be to run a grabbow - I could take an RT splash deck against time if needed.

[Elbirn]

For my match versus Light.

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[justaburd]

For my match against earth:

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If, for some reason, it's needed, I'm sure it can spare a fractal and dim. Other than that though...

[Jen-i]

Role	Player	vs.	Opponent	Deck
General	kev	vs.		Light Stall
Strategist	AnnaMall	vs.		Shadow Dragons
Lieutenant	Elbirn	vs.		RT Splash
Berserker	Justaburd	vs.		Dim Fractal Dragons
Quartermaster	Bloom	vs.		Mono 2 Nymphs
Standard Bearer	Jen-i	vs.		Grabbow

[AnnaMall]

For some reason I sweat over not taking cloaks along. Any thought on this?
The reasoning so far is that I expect a pc deck from them, which negates the use of cloaks. On the other hand a heavy domin from nymphs is a loss probably with cloaks as well if they got PC. A squid domin is winnable with the cc we carry.
Will be in chat about an hour before deadline for whatever needed.
PS: havent thought much of the up usage, but as is the upped drags are a boost to this deck.

[Jen-i]

So I entered the decks into the vault and we're 28 pillars and 2 pends over what we have in the vault.

Here's what I did so far
+3 Damsels -3 Pillars to Elbirn's Deck (Just means we don' t use the Event Card here)
+2 Shockwave - Pillar to Bloom's Deck (Was very over quantad to start with)

Converted:
1 Arsenic
1 Lightning
2 Purify
2 Blue Crawlers

And made a few other minor changes with salvage - we're now down to 9 pillars over our vault

My recommendation is two-fold:
1) Anyone that feels their deck is overpillared should take a look to see if they can cut a pillar or pend from the deck.
2) We convert the remaining cards from our vault (4 Dim Shield - 4 Shockwave - 1 Momentum)

[AnnaMall]

1 fly can move from dim deck to dark duo or Ug deck.
Dark duo can work with -1 pill -1 pend +2 cloaks
That saves 3 Q producers, if everyone agrees...

[AnnaMall]

What is the reasoning to send an RT deck vs light, if I may ask this?
Is it for discosaders? Is it a deckout counter?

The reason I inquire is simply that all their stalls are bitting, and they made is so intentionaly that they dont run into troubles with RTs. 2-3 morning starts in immortals, farens in firestall in a ratio that allows them confortably to kill before they deckout. 0-3 i tested vs immortal all loses due to dmg from m.star.

If it is for the fear of disocsaders there are other options open. If you like the odds of this deck then 3 wings can delay their dmg by 15 turns and another 15 needed almost can stand a  m.star by turn 3 if a 40 cards deck. Which is not very comfortable considering 3 m.stars/40 cards, cuts 1 m.star every 13 cards. The fatter immortal gets, the harder for us to cope.
Fog before m.star makes the 15 ttk at 25ttk max which is even worse.
3 wings can almost cut it safe but then we go 32 cards fat
2 wings and a fog is also another gamble we might consider taking...

PLZ RECONSIDER or explain what am I missing