Round 3 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

[jippy99]

Round 3 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

Salvaging
8x lightning
2x GPull
4x Black Hole
3x shockwave
6x poison
1x Dimensional Shield


Discarding
3x light pillar
3x miracle
6x shockwave
6x Azure Dragon
22x Air Pendulum
2x water pillar
3x arctic squid
6 x toadfish
2x water pendulum
2x wind pillar
3x fog shield
5x Owl's Eye
6x poison
4x bonewall
3x flying weapon
2x sky blitz
3x gravity pillar
3x titan
5x gravity pull
1x acceleration

Penalties


Converting
4x lightning -> 4 Air Pendulum
1x aether pillar -> 1 Air Pendulum
1x discord -> 1 Air Pendulum
1x Water Pillar -> 1 Air Pendulum
1x Water pendulum -> 1 Air Pendulum
1x Purify -> 1 Air Pendulum
4x sanctuary -> 4 Air Pendulum
2x Hope -> 2 Wind Pillar
2x Catapult -> 2 Air Pendulum
2x Sky Blitz -> 2 Air Pendulum
1x Shockwave -> 1 Air Pendulum
3x Phoenix -> 3 Air Pendulum

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+6

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We have 90 discards and 24 salvages this round, so its time to start tossing off element cards.  All discards are -18.
Updated with morm's suggestions.  They seem fine to me, although leaving 6 sky blitzes is a little iffy.

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[Newbiecake]

Discards:

I think we should discard  entirely. So far none of those decks have done us any good and there's no healing or super effective stalling in them.

Let me check the vaults, will update later.
Salvages:

I would to savage some Arsenics. I think an Arsenic/Bonewall/Poison deck would be nice.

[jippy99]

Discards:

I think we should discard  entirely. So far none of those decks have done us any good and there's no healing or super effective stalling in them.

Let me check the vaults, will update later.
Salvages:

I would to savage some Arsenics. I think an Arsenic/Bonewall/Poison deck would be nice.

Agreed with both points.  Arsenics are great and water has sucked for us.  We should toss those entirely, spare possible 1-2 squids cause they can be useful.

[truddy02]

We are probably going to have to pretty much completely get rid of most of these decks.  We have to keep a lot of pillars and pendulums.  24 conversion is a good amount but probably at least half of our losing decks are going to have to discard all of their non-pillar cards.  I think we can save PU dragons if we want because all we really need to keep for that is the PUs.  We can still have a bonewall deck since we have backups on some cards and a chance to salvage some back.  We can probably keep the morning stars to play with some of our other light cards.  The water deck is yet to win, and even though we could salvage some water cards back, it is probably better to just take the shockwaves and ditch using water decks.  Shockwaves can be used in more decks and replace some lost ones from losing decks.  Titans is a good deck, but it would require keeping too many cards (no matter what we have to discard 2 of them even if we discarded all the air cards including pends) so we will probably have to get rid of that.  As long as we convert the maximum number of cards we may be able to discard a few pillars, but not the full 24 of them.  Just not having t suicide can be a big advantage once discard hits 30.  Also we have 4 arsenics

My recommendation:
 

Discards:
3x light pillar
3x miracle
5x flying weapon
3x shockwave
2x Azure Dragon
2x Air Pendulum

2x water pillar
3x arctic squid
6 x toadfish
2x water pendulum
2x wind pillar
1x fog shield
1x Owl's Eye
1x shockwave

6x poison
6x bonewall
1x flying weapon
3x owls eye
2x shockwave


4x azure dragon
2x fog shield
2x owls eye
2x sky blitz
8x air pendulum

3x gravity pillar
5x titan
5x gravity pull
3x acceleration
2x flying weapon

Salvage:

3x lightning

3x abomination
3x discord

3x lightning

3x shockwave

6x poison


This allows us to keep 3 of our 5 losing decks.  Lightnings are good in the rainbow or an aether deck and we have several aether cards.  We can take more arsenics if you guys want but 4 should be plenty.  Even in a flying arsenics deck it should probably have about half the weapons be OE to take advantage of its synergy with bonewall.  We can now make two entropy decks.  We could take 6 aboms but discords are fairly strong and considering we haven't played any yet we could really surprise some teams playing 2 discord decks in a round.  It would be nice to keep the titans deck but it has so much gravity in it that it would probably wreck us to get rid of all the pends and other air cards that we would need to discard to be able to keep it.  We might as well convert the rest of the gravity cards because we can't do much with them anymore.  If we do a 24 conversion we can gain 12 pillars/pends and it is time to stock up on them.  Anything else anyone wants to keep or salvage?  I don't think we can afford to discard any more pends or pillars so anything else saved should be replaced by a different card.

[omegareaper7]

This round really hurt us bad 

[The_Mormegil]

I don't have time now for a full-blown analysis, so I'll do it later, when I come back home.
For now let me just say this:
1) Ditch water: agreed 100%.
2) I would very much like to keep PUs, Morning Stars and Bonewall OE, but
3) We can't afford to ditch Titans. As it is, we have no reliable way to beat stalls except for that... or outstalling, as Truddy did last round. Momentum is a huge advantage, and while I think flying titans is not a very good deck with 50% air cards, I also believe we need to keep a way around shields. Some decks will just shut us down otherwise. To be noted: we COULD mantain that deck, salvaging back the GPulls we need to discard. Losing 6 AW and 8 pends will hurt, though.

I will try to think of a solution, as I don't really see any.

EDIT:
My solution is this:

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Seems to work pretty well in preliminary testing. Has a decent damage output (if you put an accel on a dragon, it will deal 96 damages before dying...), and can kill stalls pretty well. Not the best deck ever, but it's efficient at what it does. GPulls are defensive or CC depending on number flying targets.

Saving that deck, and saving a bit more than truddy did, keeping an eye towards keeping the key cards for our decks, and converting 24/24 as I always do, here's my review on truddy's salvages/discards:

Discards:
3x light pillar
3x miracle
5x flying weapon
3x shockwave
2x Azure Dragon
7x Air Pendulum

2x water pillar
3x arctic squid
6 x toadfish
2x water pendulum
2x wind pillar
1x fog shield
1x Owl's Eye
1x shockwave

6x poison
4x bonewall
3x flying weapon
3x owls eye
2x Owl's Eye
2x shockwave
1x Air Pendulum

4x azure dragon
2x fog shield
2x owls eye
2x sky blitz
8x air pendulum

3x gravity pillar
5x titan
3x titan
5x gravity pull
3x acceleration
1x acceleration
2x flying weapon
6x Air Pendulum

Salvage:

3x lightning

2x GPull
3x discord
4x Black Hole

3x lightning

3x shockwave

6x poison

2x Lightning
1x Dimensional Shield

(remember: we have 24 salvages, not 21. Doublecheck standings...)

And then converting 24 cards from our Vault, focusing on our most successful decks.

For instance, this might be a good conversion:
4x lightning (leaving 4)
1x aether pillar
1x discord (leaving 3 in Vault)
1x Water Pillar
1x Water pendulum
1x Purify
4x sanctuary (leaving 6)
2x Hope (leaving 2)
2x Catapult
2x Sky Blitz (leaving 6)
1x Shockwave (leaving 8)
3x Phoenix (leaving 2)

[truddy02]

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This is the other deck we get 3 salvage from.  3 cards from sub win per event card. 

We could take 2x lightning and 1x heal from there, lightning can be used with any aether duo and rainbow and heal can be used in rainbow.  Then instead of 2 of the lightnings from the bonewall/ poison deck we could take 2 lobos.  This is good since we have enough aether cards to run a couple aether duos and also we could use them in a larger aether stall where we might want more than 2.

I don't have a problem with Morms suggestions.  I thought about it and 24 conversion can be ok this round.  Next round however we will have to save any pillars we can in any losing decks and still do full 24 conversion.  The only thing is I would like to keep the lightnings if possible.  They are quite a bit stronger than shockwaves particularly against dragons which we tend to see a lot of.  If we can't save them that is fine.  We have some cards we haven't used much lately, if at all.  EQ, phoenix, and RT.  RT I think we will use this round.  EQ and phoenix we might use in some decks here but if we don't soon I think it will be time to get rid of them.  I would like having a few more lightnings but I don't see them as super important.  Other than that, if we can figure it out, I say take Morms recomendations.

Maybe we could just convert 2 of the phoenix or EQ and keep 2 more lightnings.  4 lightnings, EQ, or phoenix can legitimately be used in a deck.

[The_Mormegil]

I'm weary of losing EQs. Later on, decks are far more predictable, and EQ is a hard counter people will not really expect from us. It can be a lifesaver.

[QuantumT]

K I'm a bit late on this, but I think it could be worthwhile to salvage the Black Holes. Last war we had huge problems dealing with Team Underworld's rainbow decks.

I also think that we should keep the flesh spiders if possible. If we discard the spiders, we lose one of the decks that's actually capable of making good use of the wings we have in our vault.

[The_Mormegil]

I edited my post using QT's advice, and truddy's advice.
I kept 4 lightnings and got 4 black holes, losing some more animate weapons and 4 phoenixes.

[jippy99]

K I'm a bit late on this, but I think it could be worthwhile to salvage the Black Holes. Last war we had huge problems dealing with Team Underworld's rainbow decks.

I also think that we should keep the flesh spiders if possible. If we discard the spiders, we lose one of the decks that's actually capable of making good use of the wings we have in our vault.

I have my fair share of UW ideas and if I predict them right, they will go with a 4 rainbow/4 other setup.  I also wouldn't be surprised for them to take the disruptbow that was so effective for us last war.  We should also b weary of them throwing the entropy/darkness duo at us.  BHs definitely would help us here, I agree to salvage them.

[truddy02]

Never mind on taking the heal.  I must have been thinking of upgraded heal because unupped costs 3 and is probably too expensive to play in a rainbow.  We could take something else or just use it as conversion and save one of those phoenix or something else.