Round 10 - Strategy

[chum3]

Top 4! If we win this one, we can field 2 decks (which could be a bad thing, depending on how you look at it).

Pervepic vs. Sir Valimont
Decks won with last round:
(Can salvage from time-darkness duo, black dragons, devourers, vampires, an improved dusk)

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Can salvage 3 cards from aether-death duo-ish, mummies, parallel universe, eternities, deflags)

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Can salvage from underworld's rainbow, nova, immolation, quantum towers, phoenix, fractal_

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Just to get an overview what  could have with the rough estimations.

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Loses to  and wins 

2.

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A semi-suicider, but they want to use that Black Hole against Underworld. Loses to  and can win  .

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Another variation of this from round 7:

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Loses to  and wins  .

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Loses to aether and wins  .

5.

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Wins  and can lose to  , well maybe 

6.

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Wins  and  if the latter is not big enough. They have also used 34-card variation of this.

7.

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Wins  and  .

8.

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Something that Underworld will meet.

9.

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Wins  but  has a chance.

Besides,  could easily make another  duo with Wings and mabybe also another  duo with Immos, Phoenixes and Deflags.

Some of these decks might be partially wrecked from last round (e.g., Shockwaves might be gone). And we haven't seen dis. shields in a while.
Standings:
353 Entropy
55 Air
52 Life
47 Fire

Out:
Aether
Time
Underworld
Earth
Light
Death
Gravity
Darkness
Water

[chum3]

What we have in our vault:

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What we can salvage 6 cards from:

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[Istari.]

Think we have to salvage some Entropy cards just to have a better Entropy Duo, for either this round or next round.

[QuantumT]

This one is tricky, because they know basically everything we have at this point. There's a large number of things they can throw at us, and I don't know what our best pick is. Sometime this weekend I'm going to try and go through and see what decks they have available so we can see what we might face.

[Istari.]

And remember, Zeru said we would go down this round and he doesn't like us, so we can expect to face their best deck.

Edit: "Top 4! If we win this one, we can field 2 decks (which could be a bad thing, depending on how you look at it)."

Bringing back a second player is pretty nice for us, normally the cut off sucks, but we have basically two decks we can use and it drastically increases our odds of survival.

[chum3]

And remember, Zeru said we would go down this round and he doesn't like us, so we can expect to face their best deck.

Edit: "Top 4! If we win this one, we can field 2 decks (which could be a bad thing, depending on how you look at it)."

Bringing back a second player is pretty nice for us, normally the cut off sucks, but we have basically two decks we can use and it drastically increases our odds of survival.

It might increase our odds of survival, but it'd also make us very predictable, as I'm sure Team Entropy knows every single card we have in our vault.

And nah, I don't think Zeru/Entropy doesn't like us ... they're just a bit flustered that they haven't taken Pervepic down for the past 2 rounds. All I'd suspect for them is to take the deck they think best counters our vault, which is something I'm sure they'll do against Life and Fire, too (they're vaults are probably figured out as well).

I updated the first post with decks Entropy used to win last round. I'll go fishing a bit to see what else they might have. But speaking of decks they might use against us and have won with, is anyone else eying that "Pandebonium" (as kevkev put it, I believe) deck and suspecting they'll use it against us? It counters Antimatters by not using any creatures, and I'm not sure we have a counter for it.

[Istari.]

Thats what I'm thinking as well, that charger deck counters our Aether Duo a bit, but a early lobo would screw it up for them so I doubt they would go for that.
That deck is a pretty good counter for our vault, I think our best bet would be to go for the Entropy duo, salvaging some Lycantropes using novas to power them, to give us more creatures to go threw bone wall and have beefy HP for pandemonium.

[truddy02]

I would bet even money on seeing pandabonium, with the next most likely being the graboid rainbow.  They know most of our vault.  What they don't know for sure is whether we still have dim shields or some salvage from fire.  I think our best bet may be some sort of crazy  / / trio by salvaging 4 entropy pendulums or towers and 2 maxwells.  It may seem almost stupid to not take discord or antimatter but those are two cards they will definitely expect.  A rough suggestion (untested) off the top of my head is something like this:

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It would need some adjustment as to towers and such but something like this has a chance against most of their strong decks.  It might need more quanta production somewhere to combat EQ/discord/BH.  It has a reasonable chance against the grabbow and is about the best we can do against pandeboneium.  I might use the upgrades on maxwells to have a better chance of surviving pandemonium and maybe some pendulums in case of EQ.  Also could switch 2 pendulums for an aether pillar and an air pillar.  Once again this is just a prototype of sort, more of an idea than an actual deck.  No matter what we will need some luck again so it is mostly a question of what gives us a chance to win.  I think this gives us a chance against both grabbow and pandeboneium as well as some of their other possibilities(they might expect rainbow again and pack black holes without discord or with few discords).    is nearly impossible to figure out only having to field 3 decks with 350 cards and a great idea of what we have.  This is just a possibility, who knows what we might face.   

Edit:  Aether duo is also a possible deck they could use with phase shields.  Also is there any way we can get like a 1-3 card penalty if we win without having to sub and lose our upped card advantage so we don't get stuck right at 60 cards next time?  Although maybe we would want them to have to field 2 decks against us in that situation.  Also maybe this sort of deck idea is too much over thinking.  I don't know but I think something crazy and different is the best.  I think Istari's lycan idea is good too, we need hitters if they take bonewalls. 

[pervepic]

Just for reminding what they have and do not have:

Round 9: 1.

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2.

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3.

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Decks they lost:1.

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2.

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3.

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Round 8 :
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Loses to  and wins 

2.

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A semi-suicider, but they want to use that Black Hole against Underworld. Loses to  and can win  .

3.

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Another variation of this from round 7:

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Loses to  and wins  .

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Loses to aether and wins  .

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Wins  and can lose to  , well maybe 

6.

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Wins  and  if the latter is not big enough. They have also used 34-card variation of this.

7.

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Wins  and  .

8.

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Something that Underworld will meet.

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Wins  but  has a chance.

Besides,  could easily make another  duo with Wings and mabybe also another  duo with Immos, Phoenixes and Deflags.
To conclude:
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Seems that this thing would be too convenient against  .  But the thing is that Kev could salvage Discords and Abominations and then it suddenly may not be so good.

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Very convenient against  . Almost only good possibility against them, because  could lost all (!) Maxwells and Antimatters in the previous round or saved 1 for each. But still,  could salvage some Deflags and then it wouldn't be so good.

3.

They probably have a  duo left with Wings, Owls Dragons; I guess noone needs to be afraid of that too much.

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Basically a rainbow that may be complemented with the cards that are taken from Underworld, Time and Aether (Quantum tower, Phoenix, Deflag, Mummy, Spiders, Vampire).

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Risky to play against us in any case.

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Something like this is a possible canditate against us.

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Although they probably lost many Maxwells, they can use elfs and Abominations instead. Most likely we won't see this one.

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Although they lost one of their  decks, they certainly have material for another one. There can also be some Immolations involved.

9. They can also make a  duo, but I'm not sure if they have Steals anymore. Well, their 9th deck is problematic; if they could play it then it would be a suicider.

If they are planning to win for sure, then they have to meet our Dim Shields somehow. 3 decks are good against it: 1. Bonewall-Poison, 2. Phase Shields, 3. Fire.

First one is risky, because  can win that. Second one is risky for the same reason, besides they need something to play against  . Actually some kind of  deck is probably the best they can use. But there may be a problem with that too - it may lose to our Rainbow. I guess they do not have a deck that could counter both -  and  .

Why I don't like for going rainbow this time, is their Blackhole deck. Early Black Hole along with Discord is almost an auto-loss. But they know that I know that, therefore I should go for that. Not sure yet.

[Istari.]

Possible Lycan deck

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We could make a good counter for the charger deck, by using the entropy duo and salvaging more antimatters

Fire deck I think would loose to our entropy as well since those Rage pots can't one shot our dragons or the Amethyst, and we have CC cards to take down their attackers.

[pervepic]

Thanks for offering decks guys .

I was thinking quite long time already, what could be the reason of confidence for  . Sir Valimont's blind cockiness is well-known (no matter is there a reason for that or not) , but others seem to be very confident too. I don't know exactly, but maybe they are assuming that their Flying-Discord-Blackhole along with Chargers and perhaps Deflags will do the job. Against both, our Phase Shield deck and of course Rainbow too. Maybe they added some Rewinds there; this would be good also for Antimattered creatures. And they seem to like this deck a lot and they have played this for a long time. Because of that I would rather abandon any sort of Rainbow. Again, I'm not sure if I'm right or not.

The second annoyance they could have is a Phase Shield deck.To fight against that we need Rainbow  . But they know that we have Steal and Deflag... Shortly, I guess that they will choose  as a victim of that one...

Against  duo and possible Discord-Blackhole thing could work something like this:

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They still may have 2 Maxwells in Vault. And seems very logical to put them out against us. Threfore I put 2 upped Maxwells there - upped Maxwells kill unupped ones. This should also work against  deck they could have (killing Phoenixes for a moment). Nova there is a funny addition, that is not very necessary  . I just noticed that Kev had it in the previous round, probably agains Discord.

This deck loses to Dim Shields...

Ok, I still need to think about this, nothing is final yet and suggestions are welcome.

[truddy02]

I don't think too much should be taken from the absolute confidence of  .  There is no deck out there that is a perfect counter to everything we could potentially have and even a great counter has a chance to lose at least one match.  It is more talk than anything.  They have been sure they were putting us out 2 rounds in a row now.  Also Pervepic, what are you thinking for your 6th upgrade?  Maybe OE for some extra damage, I think maybe this round we finally won't see steals.  I think that deck is a good idea.  You have to take a chance on something and this does solidly against bonewalls and gravity which are both strong possibilities.  Good luck.