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Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg229424#msg229424
« on: December 20, 2010, 08:05:37 pm »
If we win 2 more rounds, we can field 2 decks  :)

:air Pervepic vs. :entropy Nyma

Standings:
353 :entropy Entropy
59 :aether Aether
54 :time Time
49 :air Air
48 :underworld Underworld
46 :life Life
41 :fire Fire

Out:
:earth Earth
:light Light
:death Death
:gravity Gravity
:darkness Darkness
:water Water

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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg229478#msg229478
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 08:44:55 pm »
Everything we have in our Vault right now (minus the 6 cards to salvage):

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4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5og 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 621 621 621
For the record, we can salvage 6 cards from this:

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4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 5f6 5oi 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5up 606 606 6u5 6ve 6ve 6ve 7t8 7ta
And our winning decks from the past rounds:

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4vl 4vn 4vn 5oc 5oc 5og 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 6tv 6tv 6u5 7mv 7mv 7mv
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5oc 5oc 5oi 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 621 621 621 621 63a 7ms 7mv 7mv 7mv 7n5 7oe
(The difference between the deck Pervepic used in Round 6 and the one Dogg used in Round 8 is one Quint for a Fog Shield.)

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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg229554#msg229554
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 09:56:14 pm »
Just to get an overview what  :entropy could have with the rough estimations.

1.

 
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4vi 4vn 4vn 500 50u 50u 50u 5of 5of 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 6tv 7mv 7mv
Loses to  :aether and wins  :entropy

2.

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4vh 4vh 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55v 590 5c8 5f6 5ia 5ia 5og 5og 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 61q 61q
A semi-suicider, but they want to use that Black Hole against Underworld. Loses to  :aether and can win  :entropy .

3.

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4ve 4vh 4vh 4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 52q 55t 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 595 595 595 5f6 5og 5ur 5us 61q .

Another variation of this from round 7:

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4vc 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 595 5f6 5f6 5og 5oi 5oi 61q
Loses to  :aether and wins  :entropy.

4.

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4vd 4vd 4vm 4vm 4vm 500 500 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de
Loses to aether and wins  :entropy.

5.

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4vl 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r
Wins  :aether and can lose to  :entropy, well maybe  :'(

6.

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 50u 50u 50u 61o 61o 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 621 621 621 63a 63a 63a
Wins  :entropy and  :aether if the latter is not big enough. They have also used 34-card variation of this.

7.

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 500 500 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5ul 5ul 5ul 5up 5up 5up 5up 5ur 5us
Wins  :aether and  :entropy.

8.

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4ve 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 55l 55t 55t 55t 55t 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 590 5c1 5og
Something that Underworld will meet.

9.

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fc 5fc
Wins  :aether but  :entropy has a chance.

Besides,  :entropy could easily make another  :air duo with Wings and mabybe also another  :fire duo with Immos, Phoenixes and Deflags.

Here is something that  :aether could play:

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52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 61t 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 71a 71b 71d 71d 71d 71d
or perhaps this variaton:

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52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52q 52t 52t 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61t 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7n2 7n2 7n2
And  :time :

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5rm 5ro 5rq 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 7qc 7t9 7t9 7t9 7td 7td
UW:

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vd 4vl 4vl 55v 593 593 5c1 5f6 5fa 5og 5oj 5rk 5um 5um 5um 5up 621 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u7 7k2 80i
 :life :

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4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5c4 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 7ai 7ai 7ai
 :fire :

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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f5 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk
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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg229717#msg229717
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 01:05:26 am »
I was looking at our 2 decks that they know we have. I wouldn't be too surprised if they whipped out the Dim. Shield stall against us, as they might think we lack permanent control. We could /possibly/ (and it would also be incredibly risky) try to pull something off with Steals from our Round 8 salvage, but I'm not sure how we can, given that we wouldn't have a lot of Darkness cards in an Air-Darkness duo (I'm aware that there were only 6 Entropy cards in our Air-Entropy duo, but that's slightly different because of the quanta balance).

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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg229739#msg229739
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 01:36:41 am »
Maybe go with truddy's idea of going rainbow, we haven't run a single rainbow deck the entire war, so they wouldn't expect that from us.

Edit: I think we need to do some major testing, find out what Entropy is probably going to use against the other teams and figure out what they will likely pit us against and test all of our possibilities. I'll be available most of Wednesday and some of most of Thursday to test if people will be on.

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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg230105#msg230105
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 02:22:59 pm »
Yes, I guess you guys are right - a rainbow seems a way to go. At least it leaves ways open and is the most flexible. Can't say that this one is hard to predict for them, but what else can we do. There are too many things to take into account - Dimensional Shields, Maxwells, Purple Nymphs with Antimatters. And this deck is a gambling in the purest form  :) :

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4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5f6 5og 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5up 61q 61q 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 7mv 7mv .

The best I could make. I certainly wanted both perm controllers there, because we can freely be the victims of Dim Shields (life is another possible victim).  :entropy can handle  :life with Maxwell's spam as well, so we can't exclude that Dim Shields are played against us.

After testing I found out that certinly 4 Supernovas are definitely better than 3, because Steal needs quanta and Lightnings as well. 3 Supernovas are too unreliable. And what is most important - Supernovas provide some protection against Discord, because there is a bigger possibility that important quanta remains unscrambled.

I wanted 2 Antimatters as well, because of their  :darkness deck. I guess it is very likely that I have to play against that. They may just hope they Steal my only Owl's Eye and after that there will be a party for Purple Nymphs. To counter this somehow, I had to put 2 Lightnings in my deck as well.

4 Dragons there are obviously needed hitters, but i guess this deck can't give enough quanta for 3 Axure Dragons. Therefore, for balancing purposes and because Sky Dragons are much more powerful than Azure's, I decided to use 2 upgraded Azure's.

The only question concering this deck is wheather I should add there 1 more Pendulum or it's ok now as it is. But you can make suggestions if you have thoughts how to make a deck better.

I have no idea how big are chances of this deck, probably not too big, but I hope the best :) .
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Re: Round 9 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17998.msg230960#msg230960
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 05:43:02 pm »
Trying out the deck, so far works pretty well against Level 3s

 

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