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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg233700#msg233700
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 08:46:50 pm »
I was studying the decks Team Entropy used against us in the last rounds.

Round 7 (they won) :
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I wouldn't be surprised by a creature-based deck this time, maybe :fire , with Phoenixes and Deflags. Some Maxwell's Demons might be useful.
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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg233758#msg233758
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2010, 09:58:14 pm »
Another possibility:

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Basically an anti-aether.


And a bit more agressive version of my previous deck:

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And I haven't abandoned my last-round deck yet:

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Let's assume that one of those wins. Which one? :)

We could even salvage more Antimatters and then our  :entropy decks are even more dangerous. I'm wondering if they are really brave enough to come with unprotected critters against us...
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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg233821#msg233821
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2010, 11:48:39 pm »
I forgot to mention this before, but I believe Sir Valimont has 2 Purple Nymphs (as he used a deck with 2 of them before).

It might just be me, but I'd say they'll almost certainly bring the Pandemonium-Poison-Bonewall deck against us. They wouldn't bring it against Fire because they have Purifies, and an Entropy-Aether duo against Life seems probable. At least, this is what my reasoning would be if I were on Team Entropy right now.

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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg233822#msg233822
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 11:51:23 pm »
If I were on team entropy these are the cards I would be most concerned with in order:

1. Antimatter (the card that won the last 2 for us)
2. Phase shields
3. Discord
4. Supernova
5. Steal/Deflag

They also know for absolute sure that we will have 3 dragons a fog shield and an Eagles Eye in our deck.  If I were them I would probably choose the bone wall deck or the phase shield deck.  I would take phase shields against life because the only possible perm control they could have is 3 deflags and using them in a deck would be fairly weak.  Also fire has purify so using the fire deck against them would be pretty smart.  Rage pots take out dragons and deglags for shields.  All that said bonewall deck is most likely against us.  It is a strong deck, I'm not sure I've seen it lose yet, and I cannot remember the last round they didn't use it.  This is all just speculation, they have so many options.  I vote for the entropy duo.  I think whatever Pervepic decides as a final deck is good because he is playing, he knows best, and there are so many options for entropy (they might even build something new.)

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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg233847#msg233847
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2010, 01:17:08 am »
I'll do some testing with someone tomorrow if they want, but I think someone with an alternative account might be better, either way I think we need to avoid using anything with few HP so only lycans when they cant throw out a pandemonium, dragons, and upped Maxwells

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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg234031#msg234031
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2010, 09:46:17 am »
Just something I feel it's worth throwing out there. The deflagration could be put into a deck without any way of actually playing it, instead relying on their discord to get it off. It's a bit silly, but it's worth thinking about at least.

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Re: Round 10 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18297.msg234040#msg234040
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2010, 11:13:22 am »
Not sure if this single Deflag can make a difference, but its worth of thinking.

And I don't think we'll meet Pandemonium-Bonewall, because it's too risky against critters with high HP and Antimatter (TU - Antimatter is a free healing).

Phase Shields are really problematic. Life could make a fire duo and in this case they would have 3 Deflags. Fire has 2 Deflags for sure. We have a Steal and Deflag (maybe), we can salvage more, but thats unlikely. Every team can use Discords. If we suspect that they will use that deck against us, then our  :aether  deck should be bigger than theirs.

Discord-Blackhole-Chargers are the second real possibility, but its really effective only then if we won't change deck. But i'm thinking now if they really assume that we are not changeing deck...They could. And this has some chances against our  :aether deck too, of course, if Lobo comes too late.

 Graboids and Fire duo come after that. Graboids are somehow protected at least, so they could prefer them for that. Phoenixes could be ragepoted if they are Antimattered.

We are pretty much in even situation there with  :entropy, because they must take into account 3 decks of ours, we have to look for their 4 decks basically.
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