round 3 deck discussion

[Jen-i]

I did a 10 game reverse test (Fire's Dark Duo vs AccelaTitans) I won with the Dark Duo 8 of 10 games. Nightmare is abusive!

[AnnaMall]

After some testing i am pretty confident to sugest3 decks

vs light. Consider going 31-32 with 1-2 Tstorms to take care of RoL/hope in case they go nuts and for deckout advantage (not so important)

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vs earth. 2 nymphs jen-i's mod

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Vs fire. Lightstall, deck size under discussion primarily for fearing a semisuicidal fat firestall

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Vs death I believe we could field something with very good chances, leaving time and dark matchups up for discussion.
My matchup (time) had some success in using dark duo as a LT or strat role but not confident all threats can be adressed with a good lvl of confidence. Primary consern is innability to consistently beat their bow from last round.

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Best results vs bow using this but still a 50/50 chance

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part of the strat duo belo, still more or less 40-50%

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[Jen-i]

1) Jen would suggest making the general's deck 31 cards if facing RoL/Hope is a fear - we can just Dim Stall them to deck out if need be.

2) Jen likes the 6 Damsel version of his deck much better - the "free damage/quanta" really helps when facing EQ

3) I'm still not sure whether fire or time is the better spot to put our Light Stall - I think I'm favouring the time matchup - I'd hate to lose because decides to suicide against us with a larger deck.

[Jen-i]

Here's an alternative deck for Mall against Time:

Full Strategist Deck:

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Anti Quanta Denial:

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Anti Light Stall:

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Here's my testing so far (Note: none of this was reverse testing)
1) Anti-Light Stall will win 100% of matches against Light Stall in which Light Stall plays Eternity and 3 time pillars.
I went 8-0 against Light Stall and won all but one game by damage, so even if Eternity remains unplayed it shouldn't be an issue.

2) Anti Denial - 8-2 vs EQ GnG

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3) Anti Denial - 6-1 vs Pharoah novabow

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Mall commented earlier today that take Fog/Duck & Vamp Dagger throw in a bunch of other cards and you've got a solid deck!

[Jen-i]

Preliminary Round #3 Decks

Role	Player			Deck	Alternates:
General	kev	vs		Dim Stall
Lieutenant	Jen-i	vs		2 Nymphs
	AnnaMall	vs		Light Stall	Shadow Dragons (Strat Deck)
	Elbirn	vs		Mini Light Stall
*	Bloom	vs		Flying Titans (Accel)	Grabbow
*	Justaburd	vs		Flying Titans (Accel)	Light Stall

Flying Titan (Strat Deck)
there's going to be a Wings issue with these decks

[kev]

We did a great job of posting initial thoughts earlier in the round and I think a lot of good discussion has come out of it.  If you need additional thoughts, now is the time to ask for them.  If you have not already done so, please post a finalized version of your deck ASAP.  We have 1.5 days left and still need to finalize deck choices and builds, discuss sdcp, and edit the vault doc.

Thanks!

[Jen-i]

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Anti Fire Deck
It went 6-1 in reverse testing against their Light Stall and 5-0 in both reverse and normal testing against their Poison Bolt.

I noticed that Fire has not yet run a traditional Fire Stall - their light stall wins via Fahrenheit or deck out - it was without bolts.

[justaburd]

After some self-deliberation, I have decided to take jen's shadow dragons version if noone else is taking shadow dragons and hurricane otherwise.
If there's still deck conflicts, I'll go with bonair. (original version)

To be honest, I've never been that great at mindgating, but given that firestall will stomp most of our decks, I think it's acceptable to head for shadow dragons.

[AnnaMall]

Firtstly I think I overthought most of the matches which is bad, I think
Secondly tomorrow I will not be available for testing but if work is slow I ll be onine for chat.
Thirdly most of the results are in the gdocs, I believe I tested all I could think off
Forthly their best xenotesting decks vs us are fireduo, EQ GnG and Bow. Noted here cause I find it logical that many teams choose their decks by xenotest results.
Fifth I expect to see from them either the UG deck, ghostmare or sancstall in decreasing order. Lack of wings restricted me to the below counters

So the  match comes down to this:
Lightstall lose to UG, maybe their bow and sancstall. Sancstall does not beat much of our other decks, and refl shields take care of UGs.Vs the bow trainer testing and reverse is not accurate but I believe it is about 50-55% match

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This is too damn fat to be practically RNG independent

Dark duo as a strat deck was devised to counter EQ, Bow, Ugs and sancstall a good assortment of their decks. Loses  to ghostmare

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So finaly to make things short, fix all other matches to the max possible advantage and gimme what is left. A versatile all around deck without a role required

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Gives a fighting chance in all matchups.

[Jen-i]

Role	Player			Deck
General	kev	vs.		Dim Dragons
Lieutenant	Jen-i	vs.		2 Nymphs
Strategist	Bloom	vs.		Flying Titans
Standard Bearer	Justaburd	vs.		Shadow Dragons
Quartermaster	Elbirn	vs.		Mini Light Stall
Berserker	AnnaMall	vs.		Light Stall