Round 1 - Main Topic

[DrunkDestroyer]

So this is it, and War is kicking off with a rather strange event card.

For those who haven't seen the topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32223.0.html

Our numbers 7 and 8 were random soldiers (I was going to change the order when it mattered, depending on any holidays/breaks/active time and ect), so this means Legit and Bloom are up to the plate.

BatCountry vs  markilleruk
Bloom vs  light_sefi

Where the winner gets to view 3 random cards from the opponents vault. Duels are now best of 5.

Two matches only is a bit of a pain in my opinion, it relies too much on luck for me to be a fan, and it means that we don't get a good idea of how the war is shaping up. We also don't know how much teams will judge us based on these decks, and whether they will change strategies against us next round.


I know we are supposed to have a deck topic (making one soon) - the procedure will be that event card/strategy and deck discussion is done here, final decks are posted in other thread (to make the job easier for Warmasters, less confusing for us, and less edits)

[Legit]

BatCountry vs Aether: I think Aether will use a rush. Either fractal something or nova grabby with lightnings.

Bloom vs Light: My initial thought is to use the Fire duo with Unstable Gas.

[DrunkDestroyer]

So, our options are pretty much listed here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31909.msg436025#msg436025

I expect both of them will try a stall or control deck - we might have to worry about Bonebolt from aether. From light, they have every single stall option from Water/freeze/dimshield/stoneskin, and most of them will throw in a few sanctuaries and miracles. However, we aren't ever guaranteed to come up against a stall.


I don't think we really have to worry about it, but for politeness's sake we might want to tell light_sefi that Bloom is away.
(He's already told me he has money to upgrade >3 cards, so we don't have to worry about that when choosing decks)

[pervepic]

What decks you want to pick? Not sure, but that Phoenix deck looks good against  , maybe to add even Deflag and to use 6 Dragonflies there, because they may start to spam Bone Walls and Lightnings.  may use something with Rewinds and they traditionally have many stalls, maybe just to go with the fire do and to use upped Wyrms, Dragonflies, Deflags ? Deflags ar probably good anyway, even if they don't play Sanctuaries and shields, you may destroy some Pillars at least to prevent Miracles?

[TuckingFypo]

Could we be outpredicted?  Are Bonebolt/weird Light stalls in general supposed to be effective agaist Air?  Or am I thinking too much?  Other than that, I agree on our deck choices.

It'd be a bit easier to discuss I think if the decks were also on this thread.

Against  's Bonebolt, we could use the 4th deck with a few mods:

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since I don't think the Fog Shield will defend against Poison, and Wyrms are just Lightning bait.

Against  , we could use deck 3:

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Hmm...something I've been wanting to ask is that the decks we're going to use don't look like decks that would be effective in a PvP environment, or even against AI3 (no offense to Pervepic, I could be wrong for all I know).  Is it because of Vault and deckbuilding limitations?

I just checked our Starting Vault and our Current Vault, and our Current Vault is missing 3 Hopes.  Should we report to the Warmasters?

[pervepic]

I actually meant something like that:

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against  . Added a Deflag there and some Dragonflies and removed Wyrms.

and

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against  . Added a Pillar there and removed Second OE, because creature control is maybe not so important there, but quickness is.

@TF: You are saying NOW that decks we have done and already put into Vault don't look good in PVP enviroment or against AI3? It's really nice to hear that after all this thinking and testing against other war decks. And constructive criticism is always appreciated. Now its really tempting for me just to let to others to decide what is good in PVP environment.

[Bloom]

BatCountry vs Aether: I think Aether will use a rush. Either fractal something or nova grabby with lightnings.

Bloom vs Light: My initial thought is to use the Fire duo with Unstable Gas.

If they throw in a mirror shield, we instantly lose. I'd say UG is too risky against any element with a spell blocking shield.

[BC]

Hmm, I didn't think I was fighting this around, but now I apparently am?

I like the phoenix deck for me against , although I've never been a fan of different element pillar split. Will take that unless anybody has an even better idea.

[Bloom]

For me against the  stall... Maybe out-stall them? I'm thinking they do    duo with about 50 cards and electrum hourglasses.

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[plastiqe]

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Tested this deck in best of fives with the trainer against Fractal Devourers (3-0) and Graboid Lightning (3-2).  We were just too fast for the Devourers to get set up, and vs Graboids it usually came down to whoever got off to a faster start.  I let the computer play our deck and it did well using deflags against my pendulums when I had a slow start making things worse.  Going to try Bonewall/Poison next. Bonewall/Poison (3-2).  All were close games, really depends on a lucky start because a lot of poison or not enough deflags for Arsenic were trouble for our deck.  Overall I'm confident that we can win all three of the matchups I've tested so far though.

p.s. there is a great resource in the Light Archives (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24346.0.html) that shows every deck used by every team in the first couple rounds last war, that's where I'm getting the Aether decks from.

Haven't tested any of the Light decks but I'm thinking Discord might be useful there.

[DrunkDestroyer]

Chill guys, we're cool.

I'm currently testing this one

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This entropy deck was chosen over the other for higher damage.Against a couple of light decks. (Importing it into the trainer, playing :lights deck, so any bias goes the pessimist rather than the optimist side)


3 - 2 against Pegasus/Graboid rainbow
Discord almost hurts sometimes here, the light deck was really short of earth quanta which it sometimes gave. Our decks wins were decisive, while our losses you could tell that an antimatter/early discord/fog would have changed the pace of the game or something.

1 - 4 against Poison Stall
BE could have been used much more efficiently. Also, a human player might be able to trick past the miracle sometimes. Problem were all the miracles with the posion build up, all CC was dead.

2 - 3 against Immolation rush
Immo and Deflag nerf's worth really shone through here, but Immo and Rebirth still beat Antimatter. (Even just Immo works, but AI liked targeting Phoenixes) AI failed hard at using OE. By that I mean that far too much, it didn't even bother.

2 - 3 against Stone Skin Stall (9 upgrades in this deck - Miracles and Diamond Shields)
BE not used effectively enough to take out the pillars - therefore preventing miracle. (Worth noting that if Miracles were unupped, loss would have been won even with AI). Discord substituted for Owls Eye turn after it was played (allowing for sanctuary to be played and PA'd)



These results are a little disheartening - but keep in mind that we are unlikely to antimatter photons, and would use BE correctly (both by actually using it when we have 75  quanta, and playing it on more than one creature). Also, all decks (bar the bottom one) won their matchups which they were in, the rest of lights decks lost.

Now we just take the mono air splash fire out for a spin and see which does better.

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(@TF, with only 3 upgrades, this one is probably the version to go with)
Surprisingly, it won the first game against the Earth stall. I'm going out in about 5 minutes - so if anyone wants to pick this up where I left it, please go ahead. Otherwise, I'll be back in a few hours like the devoted general I am ;P

[Robotocracy]

How can we be sure that  is going to throw a bonebolt and  is going to throw a stall?  It's certainly a possibility, as they're both pretty stall-oriented elements, but we have to be prepared if they try something different.  Especially because they might be expecting everyone to use anti-stall decks against them.
I agree with plastiqe, discord is probably a good idea against light.