Initial deck ideas

[truddy02]

I just wanted to start a thread to get things rolling if anyone has deck ideas.  Last war many the air losses came from decks using bonewalls and reverse time/eternity,  so having a few decks that stand up well against those cards would be nice.  Also last war on air we had nothing could beat fractal devourers very well.

Here is a link to the preliminary strategy thread from last war that has many decks that can be reused or adjusted:


http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13713.0.html [nofollow]

Here a few new decks (or variations) that I have come up with.  Please feel free to make any comments or suggestions.
Stall deck:

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[jippy99]

To me, the best PvP air decks are ones based on Flying Weapons.  Flying weapons would also do good with Sky Blitz, but that is beside the point.  There are many different ways we can go with them.  To stop RT/Eternity, go with Morning Stars.  Against bonewall, healing would probably be the answer.  Maybe some cloak/dragons w/ LS could work.  Another very annoying deck that we can have is adrenstaves.  That is killer against many decks.
I will try to come up with some rainbows, as I seem to have a knack for making rainbows with a base element.
Some duos we should definitely try are  / (for obvious reasons),  / (OE + Bonewall can be killer),  / (lots of CC here),  / (again for obvious reasons).  We could also run a aether or death/air with spiders and wings.

[Hisar]

Here's a take on  / that I haven't tuned at all:

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It seems to work pretty well, although it does fail vs. reverse time, but you can take down bonewalls by afloing your own flesh spider.

[QuantumT]

A lot of this stuff looks reasonable, we should also go over our decks from last war and evaluate what we think is decent enough to include again and what isn't.

Another thing I'd like to do is go over various elements strongest decks and see what we have to counter each of them. Here are a couple decks that I expect to see and we need to be prepared to deal with.

/ stall w/ Sanctuaries- this is a deck I expect both and to have at least 1 of, possibly more.

/ Devtal - Possible counter deck is an stall similar to what I used in Trials, using sanctuaries.

/ Discord BH - same as above.

One thing to remember when considering flying weapons decks is how easy they are to counter when they're predicted. A mono with 6 RTs off of mark will ruin just about all of them (only exception being Flying Morning Star), so they can't be relied on too heavily. That being said, they are very strong when used properly.

[truddy02]

Some other likely decks:
 / / everyone else: Graboidbow, particularly scrambled shriekers
 / : pandabonium
 / lieutenant/general: fractal phoenix
  : rt/devourers, they beat us several times last war with this combo

I'll go through some old war decks and update this if I see some more.

[Amilir]

An amusing thing is that we are probably the one team that isn't going to be hit with a bunch of graboids due to wings.  Also, to everyone, don't worry if the deck is stupid.  This is just idea gathering.  Anyway, a few of mine:
Basic toadfish:

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One of ever so many FFQ variants:

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A try at the ever so popular graboid deck for air:

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Many more to come.  I'm sorry I haven't had more ready.

[Hisar]

In terms of  / stall, this kind of deck works well, but I don't know what to put in for the  cards:

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[Newbiecake]

The QI to your FFQ is too low Amilir. I can see you feel concerned about CC for our Rustlers, that's why we might need to drop several Rustlers in a single turn for some elements; 4 Rustlers can probably pull it off for the Life quanta we need otherwise.

Another FFQ variant that I found to work quite well well in the Synergy tourny. I didn't have the Hope back then because not many creatures can fly in that tourney, so most decks will fall under the 6 Wings, but now I took out 2 Wings and added 3 Hopes to counter high damage attackers. QI for Air: 4.5

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The Graboid bow is very nice. Perheps 2 Daggers and 1 Arsenic? Obviously this deck isn't good against denials.

I don't think there is any synergy between Air and Earth, but I think this will work okay:

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The opponent isn't gonna Rage Pot the dragons unless they upped the pots.

I'll be studying the trials.

[The_Mormegil]

Just some thoughts and things:
Wardens are awesome. No, really. Try them if you want, but a deck with earth mark, Wardens and BBs can work with some pendulums, and if you add OE and some offense - dragons maybe - you have a very strong counter to most unupped rushes.
Another idea is to run novaboid with blessing / momentum / chaos power(?), warden and wings. A novaboid that probably works against any non-CC, non-denial deck out there... If it works at all.

For devtal, there's always thunderstorms. Don't know if we can spare the space in Vaults, but...

For pandebonium, I always thought that it was rather easy to counter. Just don't rely on creatures at all. We have UGs and it has no PC. We have lots of CC and it hasn't got many creatures. We have wings and it is slow. Deck it out. Boring but effective.

[omegareaper7]

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Heres an attempt to help. Its supposed to be better against decks that play defensively.

[Newbiecake]

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Ooh. Your QI is a tad high. I say remove the pendulums and add pillars instead. If your opponent is playing defensively, most likely you'll have enough time to get enough off your mark before you start deflaging. I would say 3 Shockwaves is a bit too much, but those aren't too bad.

Warden deck...

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[The_Mormegil]

Ruthless deck:

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Not the best around, but gets the job done. Quickly.