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FIRE - Eliminated https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1038337#msg1038337
« on: February 04, 2013, 04:24:50 am »
ROUND 1

(Entropy Strut) RavingRabbid 3 - 2 Luminous (Fire Strat)

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Bonebolt for a strat looks poor. No real alternative option for strat but +- cards, bad use of role.Luminous or team made a play mistake taking only 3 BW in all 5 matches vs discord.Overquantaed for death but may be intentional vs disco
Mono deck is structuraly fine. Used bers 3upps for upping a nix, that does not make sence imo.
Dark duo is too heavy in the NM even facing fractals, 5 is overkill imo and dusk seems missing.
Entropy splash looks nice.
Firestall has problems I believe. 2 faren is very low, fireshield asks for some RoF and bolts missing.
Immorush seems very stable with 9 fodders and 2 nova for backup. Very heavy on creatures, super rush.
1domin bypass, 3 domin,  firestall, rush. Showed few shields. Lost 4 times 3-2 which might mean they got unlucky

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Re: Fire - Round #1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1039356#msg1039356
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 06:42:38 pm »
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Re: FIRE - Round #2 - analysis needed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1039377#msg1039377
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 07:37:40 pm »
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Fractix seems quanta geared towards dimstall with MP fractal as a win condition, therefore it is not as rushy as one would expect. 3 teams members can use this (gen, LT, bers). Not used in round1
Stall faster looks pretty versatile, CC resistant, bypass, otk, quanta balance is set to control. As a non gen deck quanta would make it slower but could work with a few less creatures without much trouble. Not used in round 1
For the bow they used again the 3 upps from berserker. 1 PC, 2 CC, geared towards rush. Deck not used in round1
Immorush with a bit of bypass 2 poisons,1 momo. Almost exact deck from round 1
Bonebolt seems typical. Not sure if faren or arse fare better in this kind of deck. They seem to pick up round 1 mistake and run it with 4 BW 5 poison 2 arse this time.
Firestall-almost shows they got some vault strain already. Dont expect to dump firestall

Fire made a decent comeback this round despite the heavy loses in round 1. They still seem to lose 3-2 very often, but I cannot see a reason for this. Stuff for a dark duo and a disco deck I believe are still in vault. 3deflags shown in round 2, with the fact they seem to favor bypass options makes me think they dumped their defl stocks. Bonair seems to handle most decks except firestall and their bonebolt. Also I wouldn't hesitate to send dim dragtal vs them, should beat more or less everything they showed (testing pending ofc).

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Re: FIRE - Round #2 - analysis needed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1039426#msg1039426
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 09:38:27 pm »
Bonebolt seems typical. Not sure if faren or arse fare better in this kind of deck.

kev and I had solid discussion regarding this during TPvP - Fahren is almost always better - although upped Arsenic is probably the best alternative of all.
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Re: FIRE - Round #2 - analysis needed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1039517#msg1039517
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 03:10:46 am »
- The immorush is underquanta'd to my taste.  It looks like they tried to cram too much in there. 
- They obviously were playing a read against a specific earth deck with that firestall.  But it's weird looking.  Not adding FHs is both goofy and criminal.
- I think the above two bullets points to them trying to custom make decks each round.  Not sure what to do with that atm.

3deflags shown in round 2, with the fact they seem to favor bypass options makes me think they dumped their defl stocks. Bonair seems to handle most decks except firestall and their bonebolt. Also I wouldn't hesitate to send dim dragtal vs them, should beat more or less everything they showed (testing pending ofc).
The lack of deflags is totally noteworthy, but it might be a result of their opponents and the passthrough damage decks they chose.  I'm not as positive on dim dragtal vs their lineup.  But I'll (of course) do more research before making a recommendation if we find ourselves matched against them.

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Re: FIRE - Round #2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1039838#msg1039838
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 10:49:01 pm »
I've spent some time crunching numbers from their decks.

They must have had at least 90 in element quanta sources in their initial vault, and considering they seem comfortable losing more of them in their semi-suicide this round I'd estimate that they have a few more than that. Although the build of their Immo rush this round suggests that they had no more ability to convert pends. I'd estimate no more than 100 in-element quanta sources in their initial vault.

We've seen 227 cards (add to that 31 more quanta sources that must have been in their vaults and 24 cards that they would have needed to convert this round) We've likely seen all but 20 cards in their decks.

My estimation is that they've got 7 decks still remaining in their vault.
The three winners from this round:
Poison Bolt
Fractrix
Grabbow
as well as winners and non-discards from round #1:
Fire Stall
Bone Bolt
the dark duo from round #1
the Disco splash deck from round #1

They may have the ability to build the mono rush still - its hard to tell, and will depend on their discards this round.
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Re: FIRE - Round #2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1040209#msg1040209
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 12:12:13 am »
poison bolt and bone bolt are the same decks? Is that meant to say the strat version?
Does that discrepancy screw the count and they got something else too?

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Re: FIRE - Round #2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1040223#msg1040223
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 12:48:03 am »
You are correct those are the same decks - silly me for not realizing it!

I based the decks they could play on what I calculated is in their vault - both of those are decks they can build - my mistake for not realizing they are either mutually exclusive or they are the same deck.

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Re: FIRE - Round #2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1042851#msg1042851
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Mono Immo Rush 3-2 WIN vs :time
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Re: FIRE - Round #2 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1042964#msg1042964
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 08:48:06 pm »
My last report was fairly accurate - I did forget to take into account the Strat deck and what modifications they could bring with that. That cost us our match.

Here's the decks I see them being able to field next round:

1) Immo Mono Rush - their winner from last round
2) Poison Bolt - their winner from last round
3) Fire Stall - I can't see them having discarded such a strong deck and the components are reasonable easy to have saved.
          The one mark against them having done this is the lack of Rage Pots played the last two rounds - which would seem to indicate they are running low.
4) Fractrix - yes it lost last round but the components can be salvaged between all their losing decks - and it is a tough deck to beat.
5) Disco Splash - from Round #1 - it would not have cost them much to keep these cards, although the deck isn't that dangerous in my estimation.

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a) They ran very little PC this last round
b) They seem to be running short on CC as well
d) Very few in-element hitters left, except for a mass of Phoenix
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Re: FIRE - Round #3 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1045277#msg1045277
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 07:58:41 pm »
Round 4

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Round 4 they showed 138 cards out of the 147 they currently have available (-9 cards last round). What that tells me is that they got hidden the cards for an immorush and a bonebolt.
They sacrificed last round all gen ups, one from LT deck and if I interpret the standing table correcty they should have sacrificed the bers upps too. So that gives them 13x1.5=20relics divided by 4 decks fielded, that is 5 extra upps each assuming firestall won't need the extra, that goes to 6+ upps each deck
They seem to lack on rage pots and have 3 steals 5 defl available.
They probably won need to convert much (fat rush won) so I expect to grab salvages. Estimated 6 pheonix, steal/sancs/miracles and ugs/nymphs if that is convenient for them.
Also the fat creature rush shows they got no way to stallbreak,which will foce them to grab the nymphs/ugs

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Re: FIRE - Round #4 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46520.msg1047361#msg1047361
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 03:51:47 pm »
Round #5: 1 Win/3 Losses

2-3 Loss to :darkness
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1-3 Loss to :light
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3-1 Win vs. :entropy
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0-3 Loss vs. :air
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Conclusions:
Looks to me like they still have the cards for:
Immo Phoenix - which won this round
Dark Duo - which won last round
probably can pull of a mono as well

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