Deck ideas

[pervepic]

Yes, I guess using trainer in tasting is better than AI 3, since there we test decks against potiantial war decks. Spectating was a real problem in war 2 indeed, severel teams were spectating each-other and our team's decks were predicted mysteriosly well by one of the teams.

I totally share DD's thought about UG, I already expressed my opinion about that too. I put that there, because people seem to like UG and to have some diversity of decks, but if I were alone in the team I wouldn't even think about taking UG-s. Maybe only then if I had like 4-5 Nymphs, only then I would use UG deck (but without separate gases, but Nymphs and Flying Owls).  But still, what we can pretty much be sure about that there probably won't be a creature spam in the first round against us, because they know that we have Wings. Considering that UG deck might even work. So what to put instead? Another stall? Or Firefly Queen deck? Or another mono-air with few explosions?

And I also agree about Immo deck - Rewind is our problem anyway, there is no need to make that problem even bigger. I'm gonna remove that from the list.

Yep, a Recluse may be upped in the 10th deck.

[DrunkDestroyer]

Mono air is always a good option, the cards can be used elsewhere too, and we will most likely splash 6 cards in there because we can. (At this point in time)

After that, I'm thinking the Gravity Anti Rainbow one

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The mitosis ones for high potential damage output (stalls)

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Or even something like this, if we really need to fill the phoenix gap.

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About to look through what teams played against Air in the first 4 rounds last war, then we can look through that and figure out what cards people like throwing at us, and therefore what might be slightly better.





I've tried to grab just the key-ish cards, not really the changeable ones.
Round 2:
  Firestall: Sanctuaries, Rage Potions, Faerenheights, Deflagrations
  Discord/BH : Discords, Black Holes, Aboms/Dragons/Armagios
  Poison/Stall/Rush? : Poisons, Miracles, Skull Shield + Plagues
  Ghostmare: GotP, Nightmare, Rewinds, Steals
  Mono Dark: Pick and Mix of Darkness cards.
  Voodoo: Voodoo Dolls, Basilisk Bloods, Gravity Pulls
  Mono Aether: Dimshields, Dragons, Lobos
  Mono Earth: Basilisk Bloods, Stone Dragons


Round 3:
  Fire Splash: Poison, Deflags, (Bone) Dragons
  Aether Duo: Anubis, Pharaoh, Lightnings, Dimshields     ???
  Discord/BH: Discords, BH, Gravity Pulls, Aboms
  Aether Duo: Dragons, Quints, Dim Shields
  Bonebolt: Lightnings, Poison, Bonewall, Electrocuter and Arsenic!
  Air Splash: Toadfish, Ice Bolts, Dragons, Shockwave
  Entropy Splash Antimatter, Discord, Crusader, Miracle
  EQbow: EQ, Novas, Devoruers, RTs, other speedbow cards.


Round 4:
  Aether Duo: Dimshields, Quints, Dragons, Lightnings
  Fractal: Devourers, Fractal, Minor Vamps
  NovaGraboid : Graboids, Tridents! also, 1 Reflective shield (uncommon in this deck type)
  Gravity Duo: Otyugh, Blessing (Grav Shield)
  Rush: Immo, Phoenix, 3 Deflags, 6 Reverse Times!!
  Time Duo: EQ, RT, GotP, Stone Dragons
  Time Splash: Dragons, RTs.
  Aether Duo: Dimshields,Quints, Dragons (2 Lightnings)

Might be worth it to go to R5, but the further from the start you get, the more random the deck selection is.

[pervepic]

OK, I'm gonna put our current decks (9 with quanta souces and without UG deck) into the Vault just to see what options we have. I'm not entirely happy that we are in pretty bad situation against some stalls that have a lot of Santuaries, Miracles, Bolts. Some decks have still unclear value, and I don't see much testing and thoughts what we could do better. Btw we have 2 days remaining, the basic work must be done now, the rest of the War is just the qonsequence of that.

Hmm, I'm not sure anymore aginst which deck exactly our  deck is directed for? Checking the list DD it is in danger of losing to everyone!! I'm not adding it cause it sucks. Gimme better water deck or I put FFq in, it heals a lot at least  . Perhaps we should use Bone Walls really? Against fire they are perfect too.

Edit: Ok, I'll put that water deck in now.

Edit agin: there is no problem anymore, since after puttining 9 decks with quanta sources in and the rest without them, there are only 3 cards left that we could take. We can also take a risk and take only 8 decks with quanta sources, but then we have to win a lot in the first round (that's not a problem, right?) to not to be in trouble later.

[TuckingFypo]

Mm, I currently have no idea where the Vault is going right now.    Can you quote the post with the 9 decks and only those 9 decks we're putting in for now?  I see it's currently at 364/369, which means we have 12 decks...right? I also think we need a few more RT's, Bonewalls, and Black Holes.

[pervepic]

Sry yeah, 5 cards left. Let's take Black Holes then (and I'll delete 1 Pillar from the 9th deck). Now there are 13 decks in the Vault. There may be some mistakes, I have to check everything. And I put them there just to be sure we haven't taken anything too much. If some decks suck, then they should be removed asasp.

Seriously guys, does our water deck really beats anything from DD's list?

[TuckingFypo]

Sry yeah, 5 cards left. Let's take Black Holes then (and I'll delete 1 Pillar from the 9th deck). Now there are 13 decks in the Vault. There may be some mistakes, I have to check everything. And I put them there just to be sure we haven't taken anything too much. If some decks suck, then they should be removed asasp.

Seriously guys, does our water deck really beats anything from DD's list?

I'll assume you're talking about

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or something like that, from one of your posts...somewhere?  Isn't that our anti-poison stall?

  Poison/Stall/Rush? : Poisons, Miracles, Skull Shield + Plagues
Bonebolt: Lightnings, Poison, Bonewall, Electrocuter and Arsenic!

Also, depending on what happens in the Propaganda center, we'll get another 12-24 cards.  What do we do with them?

[Legit]

Also, depending on what happens in the Propaganda center, we'll get another 12-24 cards.  What do we do with them?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31805.msg434124#msg434124

So we add 12 more cards to the vault.

@below

I guess we can add more filler cards that we can convert or use in the future as a surprise, or to double up on important cards. If all else fails taking pillars is never a bad option.

EDIT:
Alright, I'll have some free time this weekend so I can spend a few hours working on the vault with my teammates

[TuckingFypo]

I meant, what 12/24 cards are we going to use/add into our Vault? xD  Or is it too soon to decide?

[pervepic]

Wow, that's good news, this means an another deck Water should be anti-poison stall indeed in theory. So I'll remove black Holes and put a Pillar back and then we have at least 12 plus 5 cards for a new deck.

Adding some Dragonflies could help this one?

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I don't know, maybe it could go through Bone Walls at least.

A rush deck that is also possible to use:

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This or something else can be a candidate for a vacant place. Meaning is to be immunte to CC with Phoenixes, have pc and somthing to go through Bone Walls if needed.

DD-s Mitosis deck is also pretty good, but stalls usually use cc too, so they proably won't let use Mitosis very well.

I also think that our mono-air with few Deflags works well with Damselflies. Damselflies are also anti EQ-s!

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I think that these 3 are decks where Damselflies can be actually useful. Those variations and decks are not put in the Vault, I put there only previous versions.

Added a hitter to this deck, I think that it needs that.

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Ok, time to sleep (6 AM, nice)

[BC]

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I fail at counting ??? nonetheless, it wasn't a serious suggestion.

[DrunkDestroyer]

I'm more than prepared to go with Pervepics intuition on this one. If the Water one isn't good enough, then we won't use it. Purifies are decent, but a hard counter which is near useless if we pick wrong will leave us worse off than a soft counter and stronger deck.

I'm leaving it in the vault until we find a replacement. However, I am throwing in the Dragonflies into the vault (replacing the pillars in the above fire splash deck, and the -1 dragon which happened too)

Also, thanks for your work on the Vault Perve! (We seem to be missing 3 random cards. If nothing else comes up: Air Pendulums - we only have 37. We might even want to get rid of the water deck for more of these - we need every player to be able to play a specific deck.)

[pervepic]

Don't trust me blindly, please  Decks that should be in Vault right now  (1th 9 deck with the quanta producers).

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2 Cards left. If we will get our propaganda bonus plus 12 cards, then we could also add this one, for example:
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And there is also other possibilities: just to add Black Holes and maybe 1-2 additional Fogs, Owls, Eagles, Dragons, Wyrms, Wings  to the Vault.