Deck Building - Round 3

[Newbiecake]

Matchups:

Hisar vs. drogana 
jippy99 vs. jippy99 
truddy02 vs.  EngPhys 
omegareaper7 vs.  Onizuka 
(Lt.) Amilir vs.  kitty45 
The Mormegil vs. (Lt.) ak65ala 
Noobiecakes vs. (Lt.) vagman13 
(Gen.) QuantumT vs. icecoldbro 
 
Decks:

Hisar vs. :

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Omega vs. :

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Amilir vs. :

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Noobie vs. :

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QT vs. :

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Truddy vs. :

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Jippy vs. :

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Morm vs. :

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[jippy99]

Without saying anything about our decks in general, I think we need to make smarter choices.  We have made a few not-so-smart choices in my mind that have cost us a few games.

[The_Mormegil]

Without saying anything about our decks in general, I think we need to make smarter choices.  We have made a few not-so-smart choices in my mind that have cost us a few games.

Can you name them? It's always better to give open feedback, and don't worry about making people angry: after all, we're a team, and we're working together to win.

[jippy99]

Without saying anything about our decks in general, I think we need to make smarter choices.  We have made a few not-so-smart choices in my mind that have cost us a few games.

Can you name them? It's always better to give open feedback, and don't worry about making people angry: after all, we're a team, and we're working together to win.

I'm always conscious of making people angry, it almost tore my team apart last war.  The ones I am thinking of are only having 3 deflags in my deck (partly my fault), taking wings twice in a row against time, and sending a high quanta deck against darkness.  There might be a few more, but I can't find them now.

[jippy99]

We got our matchups, here they are:
Hisar vs. Falcon 
Jippy vs. Coinich  gen
Truddy vs. drogana 
omega vs. Wizcat  lt.
Amilir vs. Zeru  gen
Morm vs. xdude 
Noobie vs. Avenger 
QT vs. UTAlan 
This is the only thing I am saying for now, DO NOT SEND WINGS AT TIME!!!!

[The_Mormegil]

We got our matchups, here they are:
Hisar vs. Falcon 
Jippy vs. Coinich  gen
Truddy vs. drogana 
omega vs. Wizcat  lt.
Amilir vs. Zeru  gen
Morm vs. xdude 
Noobie vs. Avenger 
QT vs. UTAlan 
This is the only thing I am saying for now, DO NOT SEND WINGS AT TIME!!!!

This is yet another bad round for us. Well, at least we don't have too.

Anyway. The event is nice, almost all our decks have at least a chance. People didn't counter us badly up till now.

I'm gonna think about this a bit, then express my thoughts.

[The_Mormegil]

Ok, the thread has been restarted due to an error. That means we now get:

Hisar:
Jippy:
Truddy:
Omega:
Amilir:
Mormegil: (Lt.)
Noobie: (Lt.)
QT:

This is a little bit better.

Time, Darkness and Death, I thought about and didn't conclude anything specifical. I think it's time to use Flying MS, though, possibly against time. And if I was to choose, I'd say try to rush darkness and kill death with UGs, splashing purify to get around Stoned Poison (I was trying to use our water pillars/pends to splash arctic squids and purify into an UG deck... I don't know if it works, but here's what I came up with - would have tested it a bit, but matchup changed).
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Aether, I think a heavy PC deck is in order. And that means a fire deck... maybe the phoenix blitz deck can work?
Against entropy, it's a roulette really. Bring some wings, something to kill their dragons, and something to bypass shields and bonewalls.

Against water, I think the aether duo can be a killer. They probably will have trouble to run through lots of shields, quinted critters mean half their decks will be useless (they WILL pack CC in almost every deck) and lobotomizer is always a nice addition (takes care of that pesky Steam Deflag Duo). Also, should they go for Light/Water stall, you can Fractal your way to victory. Can you work everything into a single deck? I think yes, but good luck anyway.

Against life, they will bring something to kill wings. They used momentum and gravity duos a lot, but can also take a poison rush or possibly their firestall. Our best bet is probably Adrenastaves, all considered: it outheals poison, and if you bring a lot of dragons it can outrush firestall.

Light? Light is tricky. They know we have a counter to the Immortal, but I think they will try to use it anyway. PU Dragons is my best bet, since it's solid nonetheless. I would use a Fractal deck vs Light normally, but we don't really have fractal candidates in our element (except for Dragonfly + Dragon Fractal which we can't do since we didn't take dragonflies...).

[Hisar]

Also, don't send another FQ deck at darkness X(  I actually lost due to the dark nymphs, not quanta denial.

Against time, I'd like to take flying morningstars.

[truddy02]

Without saying anything about our decks in general, I think we need to make smarter choices.  We have made a few not-so-smart choices in my mind that have cost us a few games.

Can you name them? It's always better to give open feedback, and don't worry about making people angry: after all, we're a team, and we're working together to win.

I'm always conscious of making people angry, it almost tore my team apart last war.  The ones I am thinking of are only having 3 deflags in my deck (partly my fault), taking wings twice in a row against time, and sending a high quanta deck against darkness.  There might be a few more, but I can't find them now.

I can agree here on many of the things you say, some for different reasons.  The UG deck probably should have been tuned and prepared to beat a deck full of phase shields.  Against darkness, I was one who supported sending almost the same deck in round 2.  That was a mistake.  It was good as a deck for QT where the pillars were split and we had some were upgraded so a queen could get out fast.  We knew that LS was a brutal counter and we should have assumed that they knew it too.  Time is just hard to beat with our element.  Is your disagreement with sending similar decks two rounds in a row?  I can understand that.  Building against time is difficult.  Last war we lost 6 straight matches to them after winning in round one.  Can you elaborate a bit on why you think these decks were mistakes?  Tone is difficult to express online and I don't want this taken the wrong way, I just truly want to better understand your thoughts.

Also I'll try to be on the chat tonight if anyone wants to talk matchups and maybe do some testing.

Morning Glory Deck vs Time:

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I figure the 3 decks we should most expect from time are fractal scarabs, GotP/Nightmare, and momentum dune scorp.  I tested against them and it should beat all three.  The toughest match up would be the gravity duo.  It is tough to test against because AI can't play it well but even taking that into account I think it should win with decent draws.  My reasons for this build:
Miracle over sanctuary:  With steals as a possibility and denial less likely Miracles seem a better option.  Also the three likely decks are fairly slow giving time for miracle. 
Shockwave:  It needs to have some air cards and shockwave can kill GotP and scorpions.

In testing it slaughters the two decks they have used against us and I estimate should win 60-70% of the time against their gravity duo.  What does everyone think of this version?

[jippy99]

Against time in my mind, there are 2 ways to win.  We can go with quinted creatures or no creatures, which we have the pleasure of using both.  Quinted creatures does not limit us to spiders and wings.  We can also go with flying MGs.  If we were to use that deck you posted truddy, add a few sancs, cause sancs> GotP+Nightmare and devourer, both of which can be used by time.  The other way is with UGs and OEs, basically my deck from last round.  I also tend to dislike sending the same decks at opponents especially if we lost with that deck.

[The_Mormegil]

I'm good with that setup for time. Try to increase your win rate vs gravity, although I don't really think that that's possible... You would need far more damage.
On a side note, Deja Hope would kill you. Let's just hope they don't send us that. They could, since it works on a majority of our decks (UGs excluded), but let's hope they don't.

I'm waiting to know the opinions of the others for their matchup before planning my deck, since we might need to take 2 aether duos this round.

[truddy02]

Anyone have any ideas against  ?  I have tried several decks but nothing so far has tested well against mono aether.  I'm not sure if they will try the same deck again agaist us but I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar with lots of phase shields.  Perhaps they will think that is what we are looking for and play a TU deck or devtal.  I tested phoenix blitz with 6 deflags, a UG/ poison bow and several others.  These two probably had the best win rate but both probably below 50%.  I'm thinking of trying something that will beat some of their other decks and forgetting about beating phase shields.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I think the UG/grabbow with 5 elite graboids and an upped vamp dagger would work well against death.  Also probably mix in a purify or two.  I tested against their immo deck and a few other and it held up very well.  I didn't test against pandabonium but it seems it should hold up well there as well  with burrowed craetures, alternate damage, and purify.  The immo deck, pandabonium, and maybe that discord/ black hole mixer they have seem like possible decks and it seems the grabbow should beat them all.