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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305553#msg305553
« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2011, 09:42:23 pm »
Just a minor note- I see 4 Titans in the vault right now, is there a reason for this?

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305554#msg305554
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2011, 09:43:50 pm »
Just a minor note- I see 4 Titans in the vault right now, is there a reason for this?
Because I hadn't gotten a response to this:

First off, just get rid of all the :gravity cards.
Should Titan remain? Or be removed, as well?

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305557#msg305557
« Reply #86 on: April 04, 2011, 09:46:32 pm »
:gravity -- I agree with Will here. Let's get rid of all Gravity cards other than those Graviton Fire Eaters (for Immobow or Novagrabby)

although

Flying Titan is great, but a bit unwieldy.. but meh, go for it.
i'd keep them out of the vault for now

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305560#msg305560
« Reply #87 on: April 04, 2011, 09:48:08 pm »
:gravity -- I agree with Will here. Let's get rid of all Gravity cards other than those Graviton Fire Eaters (for Immobow or Novagrabby)

Fixed.

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305580#msg305580
« Reply #88 on: April 04, 2011, 10:11:45 pm »
But again, we have cards to spare. Since we are aiming for many duos for the purpose of longevity, Flying Titans is probably our best bet. We have very little of Life, Time, Water and especially Gravity, which is probably fine, but since we can patch that up with what we have, we should probably do so. I question the usefulness of Quints, btw.. what decks will be using those in?
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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305590#msg305590
« Reply #89 on: April 04, 2011, 10:23:09 pm »
I also wonder why the Quints are there, I thought most people felt that it wasn't very useful. (and I haven't seen it in any deck proposals, sorry if I skimmed over one.)
If they're there "just in case" I would prefer Silences, or free up the space to cover our butts somewhere else.

If we have room to pack another deck I definitely vote PU Titans- it covers a duo that we don't have at the moment, and is very very good from my personal testing.

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305593#msg305593
« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2011, 10:27:19 pm »
We could even add some Gravity Pulls or Accelerations (more versatile) if we have the space. Anyway, I'm going to bed. It's about 25 hours left, so no worries. Last time I went to bed I saw a lot of progress, so I just wanna say I'm proud of my team. :>
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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305600#msg305600
« Reply #91 on: April 04, 2011, 10:40:02 pm »
Here, I threw together a list of cards we need to use for the decks Pika listed.  Note this is only the bare minimum, so we will need more than this.

Non-aether cards:  160
Aether cards:  266

Pillars:  39
Pendulums:  109
Spark:  6
Lightning:  39
Silence:  20
PU:  15
Immortal:  3
Dim Shield:  16
Lobo:  3
Fractal:  12
Phase Dragon:  10
Phase Spider:  4

Fog Shield:  3
Flying Weapon:  5
Owl's Eye:  5

Devourer:  6
Steal:  3
Nightfall:  2
Minor Vamps: 3
Black Dragon:  4
Liquid Shadow:  4

Poison:  6
Mummy:  5
Bone Wall:  4
Arsenic:  7

Graboid:  12
Titanium Shield:  2
Earthquake:  4
Hermatite Golem:  3

Nova:  18
Lycan:  1
Pandemonium:  6

Deflags:  7
Immolation:  6
Phoenix:  12

Graviton Fire Eater:  1

Forest Spirit:  1
Frog:  6
Heal:  5

Miracle:  2
Sanctuary:  6

Sundials:  6

Purify:  2
Mindflayer:  3

Thunderbirds:
2 x Deflag
6 x Immolation
6 x Phoenix
4 x Pillar
6 x Spark
6 x Lightning

Silence Grabby:
6 x Nova
6 x Graboid
1 x Forest Spirit
1 x Deflag
1 x Arsenic
4 x Lightning
5 x Silence
6 x Pendulum

Silence Grabby #2 (Immobow Skeleton):
1 x Lycan
6 x Nova
1 x Graviton Fire Eater
1 x Arsenic
6 x Graboid
4 x Lightning
5 x Silence
6 x Pendulum

Sundial Rainbow
6 x Nova
3 x Arsenic
6 x Sundial
3 x Pillar
4 x Lightning
6 x Silence
2 x Pendulum

PU Phoenix (Fractix Skeleton):
4 x Deflag
6 x Phoenix
6 x PU
14 x Pendulum

Divine Thunder:
2 x Miracle
6 x Sanctuary
8 x Pillar
4 x Lightning
3 x Immortal
4 x Dim Shield
2 x Lobo
7 x Pendulum

Devtal:
6 x Devourer
3 x Steal
2 x Nightfall
3 x Vampire
2 x Lightning
5 x Fractal
11 x Pendulum

Aether/Death duo(s):
6 x Poison
2 x Arsenic
5 x Mummy
4 x Lightning
3 x Dim Shield
10 x Pendulum

6 x Poison
2 x Arsenic
4 x Bone Wall
6 x Lightning
2 x Phase Dragon
10 x Aether Pendulum

PU LS Dragons:
4 x Black Dragon
4 x Liquid Shadow
3 x Lightning
4 x PU
14 x Pendulum

Purified Mind:
2 x Purify
3 x Mindflayer
12 x Pillar
4 x Lightning
3 x Dim Shield
1 x Lobo
2 x Phase Dragon
4 x Phase Spider

Panda Dragons:
6 x Pandemonium
12 x Pillar
6 x Dim Shield
6 x Phase Dragon

PU Owl's Eye:
3 Fog Shield
5 Flying Weapon
5 Owl's Eye
5 PU
12 Pendulum

Rock and Roll:
2 x Titanium Shield
4 x Earthquake
3 Steel/Hermatite Golem
2 x Lightning
2 x Fractal
4 x Silence
13 Pendulum

Frogtal:
6 x Frog
5 x Heal
5 x Fractal
14 x Pendulum
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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305780#msg305780
« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2011, 04:02:45 am »
Wow, willu, thanks for doing all that work. I updated the vault with these cards, along with PU Titan from the original post in the deck building thread. This puts us at 461, leaving 16 cards to put in the vault. We can take out PU Titan if that is too tight, but multiple people suggested adding it if we have room.

Also, w/ PU at 19 and Dim Shield at 21, should we bump them up to 24 since they are used so much?

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305787#msg305787
« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2011, 04:23:51 am »
Absolutely Dim Shield 24.

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305819#msg305819
« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2011, 05:37:27 am »
Definitely bump them.

Fractal should be at as high as possible too.

Basically, late game we lose so much of our vault that it boils down to this:

If what we salvage is cheap enough, we can Fractal it.
If it's too expensive for fractal, it can be PUed.
If we can't do either, we stick in DimShields and it becomes a stall.

They are THE MOST important cards. So long as we have them in our vault, we can literally make a deck out of just about anything. 24 of each is ideal, and should be considered a priority.

Dragons are another Higher priority card, we should take a few more of those too.

I don't think we need so many pillars/pends, with 24 card converting (Double last War) we can afford to take much less, because of overlapping decks. If we bring it down to like 85-90 that gives us a whole 30ish extra cards to work with.

Since we have bare minimum already, I would suggest probably adding another Devtal, (6 devourers is all we need for that).
While generic, it's one of our most powerful decks and it's good to prolong it's use as much as possible.

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Re: Vault Planning Thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23523.msg305908#msg305908
« Reply #95 on: April 05, 2011, 12:20:09 pm »
Yep, basically everything that Eva said.  Now that we've got our minimum set we can afford to add in those little extra cards to give us an edge in later rounds.  90 :aether Pends sounds like a very good starting number.
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